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Wishlist
by lildawg on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @09:54
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I saw this on kde-devel a few weeks ago, anyone care to comment on any of them?
Hi, after not using kde since 1.1, I've switched back
to kde with 2.2. It is great! It is 95% of what I want
my desktop to act/feel/look like. However, there are a
few features that I mess from other kde-like software,
wether it be Windows, GNOME, or MacOS. So, here is
what I'd look foward to seeing in kde 3.0 (or even kde
2.2.1, but I guess that is only a bug fix release).
Keep in mind that I am not a programmer, so I don't
know what is viable or not.
1. drag and drop in more things that now, for example,
it would be neat to drag and drop text from konqueror
to kword, or maybe perhaps
dragging a paragraph from konqueror and having it
styled in kword, but would appear as simple text in
something like kwrite.
2. downloads windows have checkbox to close when done,
and a button to show the directory in which it is
downloading (very useful feature from internet
explorer).
3. with plugins enabled in konqueror, and when a
plugin for a type is not found, only popup a window
once for it.. for example if you do not have flash
installed, and you goto a flash website, you may see 5
or 6 windows popup trying to show you that the plugin
is not installed. annoying. maybe there should be
option for turning off these altogether.
4. <nobr> support in khtml.. this is probably the most
widely used non-standard tag.. it still prevents soem
pages from being rendered
correctly.
5. in konqueror, add an action that represents the
functionality of the find window, this could be placed
in a toolbar and quick searchign of webpages could be
done without the need of opening a find window
everytime. opera has something like this afaik.
6. fix the user style sheet option in konqueror, I
could not get this to work with stylesheets that work
in both IE and opera. This is really a must for people
with special accessibility needs.
7. maybe some kind of mouse trails for the mouse
arrow? I'm not sure if kde could do this, but judging
>from some of the funky animations
KDE does with the mouse pointer, maybe it is. I hope
:)
8. Fix applets when the panel is vertical. some
applets, such as the Application Launcher, have a
habit of dissapearing when the applet is
vertical. Other applets, such as the clock sometimes
do not display well with less space available (and oth
er times it works perfectly).
9. Kde app wide alpha channel blending (if that's
possible).
10. Make selecting text in khtml faster. It is
noticbly more sluggish compared to Mozilla. rendering
it self is pretty fast.
11. Make the kmenu editable without need for any otehr
apps. For example, you could drag "Graphics" under
"Internet" to make it go under Internet. Or maybe you
could hold down middle mouse button for a
few seconds, and the text of a name could be editable.
12. kmail imap support is very cool, but it is really
unstable/doesn't work properly with large IMAP
folders. This needs to be changed
13. in konqueror's file browsing mode, if double click
is enabled to open up folders, if a icon is selected,
and the mouse pointer is on the label of the icon for
a few seconds, it should go into rename mode (like in
macos).
14. have more meaningful names in the kmenu. I really
like names like "konqueror- web browser". that shows
to the user that whenever they
see that icon, it is konqueror the web browser.
However, if the user sees something like "kit", they
don't know what it is without chosing
it. Maybe it should be renamed "kit - AOL Internet
Messanger client" or more simply, "AOL Internet
Messanger Client". Maybe theer should be
a policy for this.
15. a "reboot" command in kmenu, or maybe logout has a
reboot checkbox
16. Maybe have a "send bug report" button in the crash
dialog
16. show kde version in splash screen
17. tooltips in stuff in kmenu
18. in the pager applet, have a row and columns
option, for example, the user, if he/she has 4
desktops, might want to have the desktops arranged
horiztonally
19. a "floating" type of panel should be introduced
that can be put anywhere in the desktop
20. in panels in kicker which don't take 100% of an
edge, they should allow panel extentions to use up
part of the rest space. for example, i could have the
main kicker panel starting from te northwest corner
down, and a kasbar starting from southwest corner up.
21. Have a "drawer" button in the kicker, a drawer
slides out, and can hold applets, other application
buttons, other drawers, or stuff liek
more kmenus
22. make button positions in kwin-clients modifibable
like in kde 1.1
23. in kde apps, Make menubar movable, like toolbars
24. in kde apps, add the ability for menubars and
toolbars to appear in new windows (like a palette). I
saw this in the qt3 designer app,
so I think qt3 has this ability.
25. in konsole, add ability to change cursor color,
also, when you open up konsole, the tab name is
"konsole", but when you click on new
it is "shell". imho, it should start with shell, and
not konsole.
26. ability of kicker to "swallow" other apps, like
swallowing gkrellm/ksim into a vertical panel
apps that I'd like to see kde3 equivs of (that are not
any kde2 equivs):
1. lyx (there was klyx for kde 1.1? what happened to
that?)
2. ethereal
3. gimp (well, I don't like krayon's interface that
much, if krayon's feature set was expanded a bit, and
it's interface was tweaked for some kind of MDI
setting, I'd prefer it over GIMP any day. (GIMP's
Interface isn't that great either.. I guess I am
looking for Photoshop for X11 :))
4. xmms/winamp - noatun is a great MS media player
replacement, but it *feels* too heavy for a mp3/ogg
player. but maybe that's just me.
5. aviplay or mplayer (aviplay would be easy to port
to kde since its in qt.)
6. xmame
7. zsnes/snes9x- there are several gtk/gnome
frontends, but no kde ones afaik
8. xchat - well, kvirc and ksirc are great... but I
don't like kvirc's interface much, and xchat is a bit
more customizable than ksirc.. so what I'm trying to
say is that ksric would be great if more
customizablity wwere added.
9. nethack/gnomehack
10. xqf (a online game finder for gtk)
11. adaptec directcd- packet burning app for windows..
it'd be prolly easily done through konqueror. just
select a group of files/dirs, drag to a special cd
burner icon, and then after you are done, right click
on the special icon and chose "burn".
12. xine or oms-gtk - somethign th at can play dvds
13. a wysiwyg html editor-- something like mozilla's
composer mode
14. gcolorsel/xcolorsel
15. xmag
16. an app like gtk-theme-switch to switch kde or qt
widget themes on the fly without kcontrol
Keep in mind that that these are just my wishlist, you
guys are doing a great job already. just putting in my
2cents. And sorry, for any speling, grammer. and other
dumb errors, I'm tired. :) |
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Re: Wishlist
by Salva on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @10:15
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Wow!
I had never seen a list so complete of things that KDE is missing. I don't really care about the apps (as long as they exist for linux, I'm not bothered about if it's gtk or qt), but I agree that most of the things in the list are expected from users that come from Windows and I hope that the KDE programmers read this message.
Salva
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Re: Wishlist
by Alain on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @12:06
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Very intersting list ! I don't understand all things, but very few seem useless.
And I recognize some improvements I strongly wish :
> 1. drag and drop
-- Yes, and also between two full screen apps, I think by moving thru the
taskbar
> 4. <nobr> support in khtml.. this is probably the most
widely used non-standard tag.. it still prevents soem
pages from being rendered correctly.
-- Of course !
> 5. in konqueror, add an action that represents the
functionality of the find window
-- Perhaps, but at first enable the F3 key to be used for "Find Next". And also
(very important !) use the "Back" Key for going on the previous page
> 8. Fix applets when the panel is vertical. some
applets, such as the Application Launcher, have a
habit of dissapearing
-- Yes and make the clock more readable when the panel is vertical.
> 11. Make the kmenu editable without need for any otehr
apps.
-- Yes (already said last week)
And I add :
27 In all apps, memorize the positions and properties of all the tasks bars,
so that they will be the same when opening the program. I first think about
Kate...
28 Add icons in the right mouse menus of many apps. For example in Konqueror
for refreshing the frame (the icon already exists...) (and about the refreshing
button of Konqui, display the page at the same place it was before the
refresh...)
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Re: Wishlist
by Nitro on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @13:29
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I agree too, here are my additions:
29 when you hold down the mouse button in konqueror on a directory icon, it should popup a new window with the listing of the directory, which could be further traversed. This would be useful if you dragged a file from /home/foo/test/ to /usr/foo/test/blah/heh/sdsd. you would not have had to open the second directory. This is like MacOS's spring folders.
30 a theme creator is needed!
31 the kmix applet should have a mode in which it appears as an icon. when yourrmb ont he icon, a little popup menu shows with sliders for controlling master/pcm/etc..
32 the pager applet should have a mode to remove the labels of the desktops (like 1 2 3 4). I frankly don't care what those desktops are named or what number they are. Other people might, but I should still be given a choice.
33 a way to simplify all menus, sorta like in Microsoft Office 2000's menus. a small subset of the menu items are shown, and there is an arrow is shown at the bottom of the menu. When you get your mouse over that arrow,the rest of the items of the menu show up. If you select one of these items, it'll be added to the small subset, and remembered next time when you load that menu or app. Right now, imho, kde menus are really cluttered compared to GNOME's, and I think this would be a good way to simplify it somewhat.
34 menus should have flexible locations, like GNOME's or Window's. THey really should just be toolbars with text being the default. I'd even be nice to turn some of the menu names into Icons like in MacOS.
35 keyboard navigation should be improved. There should be a way to do through keyboard. To start, I think tabbing in Konqueror needs to be fixed. It should work like it does in IE.
36 tabbing in konqueror. the only thing I miss from galeon or opera.
37 a smart bookmark feature in konqueror like in galeon
I'd like to see these apps ported to KDE3 (not really that important, but still):
xqf
a mathml widget/kpart (like mozilla's or gtkmathmlwidget)
xmms
also, I think kinkatta should replace kit and kvirc should replace ksirc (wll, I dunno about that, is kvirc a true KDE app?). it'd still be nice to remove the perl dependencies in ksirc.
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Re: Wishlist
by Charles Hill on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @18:28
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>33 a way to simplify all menus, sorta like in Microsoft Office 2000's menus. a
>small subset of the menu items are shown, and there is an arrow is shown at the
>bottom of the menu. When you get your mouse over that arrow,the rest of the
>items of the menu show up. If you select one of these items, it'll be added to
>the small subset, and remembered next time when you load that menu or app.
>Right now, imho, kde menus are really cluttered compared to GNOME's, and I
>think this would be a good way to simplify it somewhat.
In addition, apply this logic to the file type picker. When saving a graphic, show only the most recent -- with JPG, GIF, PNG, TIF and BMP being the defaults. It's wonderful some programs can save in dozens of formats, but how many are really used by the average user?
Also, give the file type picker extended text -- like a description of the file type. I've had novices repeatedly ask me what file type to save images in for the net and then wonder why their BMP files take so long to download.
Sort of like:
.JPEG -- Photographs and pictures for the web.
.PNG -- Icons and an alternative to GIF
.GIF -- Animated icons, banners and web buttons.
.TIFF -- Full fidelity images for pro printing.
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Re: Wishlist
by Alain on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @02:58
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> 33 a way to simplify all menus, sorta like in Microsoft Office 2000's menus. a small subset of the menu items are shown, and there is an arrow is shown at the bottom of the menu.
I desagree. It is very irritating to 1) search, 2) not find and then 3) make a supplementary click for having the good command.
For me it is a very bad option and MS Windows is very irratating with such things where the system try (badly of course) to think for the user. So please, if such a thing has to exist one day, make it only in option and not the default option.
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I Agree 100% ( with you that is :) )
by Cyber Rider on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @23:09
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I currently find this one of the most annoying and irritating “features” of MS software. It drives me nuts not being able to quickly find a menu item because the program/OS got a brainwave and decided to hide it from me because it knew I didn’t want to use it. IMHO it is much faster to find an item in a menu if the menu remains the same as apposed to if it keeps changing which items are immediately visible to the user.
Just my 2 Oz cents plus a rant :)
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Re: Wishlist
by Electroniceric on Wednesday 12/Sep/2001, @13:55
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Count me in agreement, too.
I *HATE* "Intelli"menus. And it makes support a nightmare, because you don't really know what will show up on a users monitor when you're talking to them.
Keep them out of KDE.
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Re: Wishlist
by Andreas Silberstorff on Friday 14/Sep/2001, @15:34
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I guess it can't be underlined often enough!!!
If there really are lots of users who think they need
'intelligent' menu make it optional and never default.
I would have something else on the wishlist:
I would like to use a filefilter on the url-field.
If I give it a URL like f.i.
file:/path/to/somewhere/*.jpg
konqui should show me only jpegs simiulary to an
ls /path/to/somewhere/*.jpg
on the console. Even my really very old Atari had
a file-filter-option, allthough a little bit hidden.
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Re: Wishlist
by Thijs on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @09:15
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Mathml support (and maybe SVG) would be great. Love KDE by the way, keep up the good work.
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Re: Wishlist
by kdefriend on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @12:48
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> > 1. drag and drop
> -- Yes, and also between two full screen apps, I think by moving thru the
> taskbar
This is really one of the few things bugging me: When a window is hidden it is not possible to drag something into it. Windows is better in this respect: Drag to the taskbar and the appropriate window will open.
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Re: Wishlist
by not me on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @14:59
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WHY does everyone think this doesn't work?!? Of course it works: drag something to the taskbar, HOLD it there for 1-2 seconds, and the corresponding window will pop up! Seems easy enough. In fact, it works in *exactly* the same way as it works in Windows!
Maybe it was a recent KDE addition or something, but I'm here to tell you that it works great in KDE 2.2.
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Re: Wishlist
by Michael on Wednesday 12/Sep/2001, @03:05
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You're right, it does work. But what aur you doing with "Group similar tasks" switched on? I allways get the wrong window...
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Re: Wishlist
by Me on Wednesday 12/Sep/2001, @06:52
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Do you need do do anything in the control center for this to be activated? I've held over a button in the taskbar for 10 seconds and jack all happened. A little square popped up to the right of the task buttons (shrinking the buttons) indicating that I could drop on the panel, but no windows magically popped up.
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Re: Wishlist
by Carbon on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @13:04
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>an app like gtk-theme-switch to switch kde or qt
widget themes on the fly without kcontrol
Hmm, couldnt you just use a console dcop command to accomplish the same thing?
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Re: Wishlist
by not me on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @15:01
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Run "kdcop" to get a nice tree-view of all the DCOP-callable functions registered on your system at the moment. (which will of course vary depending on which programs you have open) If you can do it with DCOP, it is listed there. Then if you run "dcop" from the command line you can call any of those functions.
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Re: Wishlist
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @15:07
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One thing I miss is KMail support for authenticated SMTP.
As it is, I can read my POP3 mailbox just fine with KMail,
but need to use Netscape to send mail, as my ISP's SMTP
server requires authentication.
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Re: Wishlist
by Lev on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @16:47
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Me and other people requested this feature more than a year ago, but they seem to ignore it for now, well thats OS, nobody likes to do things that are neither interesting nor simple. I guess thats OK, the guys already to a good job. In the 3.0 feature list there's a point about switching smtp to io slave - does a smtp io slave support authentication ?
Cheers,
-Lev
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Re: Wishlist
by Michael Häckel on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @02:54
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Well and we also ignore the other 300 outstanding wishlist requests for KMail since ages :-)
It's just, that nobody of the KMail core developers uses an SMTP server, that requires authenitcation.
Also in this case there were unfortunately also some other non technical problems that caused a delay. A few different people promising to work on the issue and not delivering anything for weeks or months, some different opinions of how things should be done and a licencing issue.
Anyway, please note, that we do now finally have SMTP authentication in CVS. Check it out and test it!
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Re: Wishlist
by Lev on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @04:02
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:) Well its just as I thought :) Anyway thanks much for new features! Keep up the good work!
Cheers,
-Lev
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Re: Wishlist
by Bob Riddle on Thursday 29/Nov/2001, @13:46
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I downloaded just the Kmail stuff from CVS but con't seem to be able to build it. I'm missing the configure.in file (probably others?). Do I have to download all of KDE to build the Kmail with autehnticated smtp send support?
Any helpful advice?
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Re: Wishlist
by Sashmit Bhaduri on Thursday 29/Nov/2001, @16:33
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Do you have kdelibs and qt3 already installed? make -f Makefile.cvs already?
You might just want to wait for kde 3 beta1 to be made (next week, likely). Many distros will package it.
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Re: Wishlist
by duber_ertw on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @15:52
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wow....quite the list - I've got a few things to add.....
after using gnome/sawfish for the last 2 years, I switched to kde 2.2 - lovin it! except for 2 little things:
1) I can't seem to find an option for edge-switching of my virtual desktops (eg move the pointer to the far right of the screen and keep "pushing" for a few milliseconds to move to the desktop to the right)
2) also with the window manager - I'd really like to see an option to remove certain applications from the taskbar - I've got a few apps (licq, gkrellm, xmms) that are on all my desktops, always on top - and they just clutter up the taskber list.
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Re: Wishlist
by Meir Kriheli on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @16:20
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1. This should be re-enabled in version 3.0 I think. Check out the kde-core mailing list archive (search for electric borders). I guess it is already in the cvs version.
2. Use the kstart command to start your application. Type kstart --help to see to options. For example I start gkrellm with:
kstart --alldesktops --skiptaskbar --skippager '/usr/bin/gkrellm'
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Re: Wishlist
by ik on Sunday 09/Sep/2001, @17:11
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> 1. drag and drop in more things that now, for example,
> it would be neat to drag and drop text from konqueror
> to kword, or maybe perhaps
> dragging a paragraph from konqueror and having it
> styled in kword, but would appear as simple text in
> something like kwrite.
is already being worked on ... (but i don't know if it will be ready by 3.0)
> 10. Make selecting text in khtml faster. It is
> noticbly more sluggish compared to Mozilla. rendering
> it self is pretty fast.
This is known (it bugs me too btw) but there is no easy fix for this...
currently konqueror traverses the whole dom tree for every event
(as someone pointed out here).
(try waving with your mouse above freshmeat.net and watch your
cpu load)
> 13. a wysiwyg html editor-- something like mozilla's
> composer mode
kafka is really promising, but not yet finished.
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Re: Wishlist -- Lyx
by ProfDumb on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @08:26
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Re: your request for a KDE-Lyx, you might like to know
that the Lyx folks are working on GUI-independence so that
there can be multiple front-ends to the back-end engine.
You can track the (slow) work on the lyx-developers site;
there is progress on both gnome and kde front-ends.
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Re: Wishlist
by vk on Monday 10/Sep/2001, @11:31
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I would like to add to this a very important app which still is not available in linux.
Kde Download Accelerator.
you can understand that it must have support for segmented downloading and ofcourse must have http, ftp proxy support. there are many download manager available but noone have support for segmented downloading.
if anyone know about such an app, please let me know.
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Re: Wishlist
by Luke on Wednesday 19/Sep/2001, @04:37
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Well what's segmented downloading?
If it's the ability to continue downloading, konqueror can already do this
;-&
btw, please go to
http://povtek.tripod.com/
so it adds a few more on to the counter :-)
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Re: Wishlist
by Zena the Grey from Zeta Reticuli on Monday 23/Sep/2002, @06:26
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URR LUKE YOU ARE POVERYT STRICKEN
<body background="http://www.stupid.com/images/mouthy-ani.gif">
<EMBED SRC="http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/18000/18702_hyakugo.swf" PLUGINSPAGE="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/" HEIGHT="400" WIDTH="550" TYPE="application/x-shockwave-flash" quality="best"></EMBED>
</body>
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Re: Wishlist
by Jarno on Wednesday 26/Dec/2001, @06:07
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I also have a few small things to add, mainly to Konqueror file browser:
1. Ignore dropping an icon on itself - currently you can't
move a desktop icon or a group of them just a few pixels
2. Tooltip with the full filename over a file whose name is
truncated in konqueror. The full name is currently shown
in the statusbar, but you have to move your eyes down to
see it, which slightly disturbs concentration.
3. A "Shell here" option in the popup menu when you right-click
a directory in Konqueror (this is a neat feature from 4NT)
4. GPG "encrypt file" and "decrypt file" extension for the
righ-click-popup-menu in konqueror
These are all quite small tasks indeed and I could probably fix
them myself for KDE 2.2 if I knew:
+ how to check that the feature doesn't already exist
+ how to make sure that the change will be accepted
(and by whom)
+ where to look in the code
+ how to submit a patch
Could someone give some pointers?
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Re: Wishlist
by Jarno on Wednesday 26/Dec/2001, @06:12
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I also have a few small things to add, mainly to Konqueror file browser:
1. Ignore dropping an icon on itself - currently you can't
move a desktop icon or a group of them just a few pixels
2. Tooltip with the full filename over a file whose name is
truncated in konqueror. The full name is currently shown
in the statusbar, but you have to move your eyes down to
see it, which slightly disturbs concentration.
3. A "Shell here" option in the popup menu when you right-click
a directory in Konqueror (this is a neat feature from 4NT)
4. GPG "encrypt file" and "decrypt file" extension for the
righ-click-popup-menu in konqueror
These are all quite small tasks indeed and I could probably fix
them myself for KDE 2.2 if I knew:
+ how to check that the feature doesn't already exist
+ how to make sure that the change will be accepted
(and by whom)
+ where to look in the code
+ how to submit a patch
Could someone give some pointers?
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