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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by Wang Chung on Sunday 23/Jun/2002, @07:46
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You linux fags make this world very dull. The only thing you do is trash talk MS and talk about how it crashes. You guys are using the same argument I have been hearing since 1995. Well you douuchebags the OS has changed in 7 years it is incredibly stable Win2000 and XP. Linux back in 1996 was pure shit it made DOS look powerful. Now it is a very complex set of tools and shells and apps and yes fellas I can admit it, it is good for what it is. I is a server OS end users will not use it as well as they could MS.
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by Anon on Thursday 12/Sep/2002, @22:19
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You moron, look at how far linux has come in such a short time, give it another year or so and it should become mainstream because of the following reasons
A: It's Free
Even though Microsnot are claiming that you are paying for the service, have you ever tried getting any help from Microsnot.
B: It's open source
Because it is open source it can easily be ported to other systems (eg. It has been ported to the XBox already). If the os doesn't work the way you would like it to work you can make it work that way, and if there is a bug in it you dont have to wait on microsnot to release a new patch, you can fix it your self (if you can program, and if you cant just post the bug somewhere and someone else will fix it).
C: It's very EASY to use and install, and is fast (ie. it will run on a shit box)
D: It's allready used in 90% of servers around the internet
I came from a pure MS background and when I moved to linux I had no problems with it after about an hour of playing. Did you also know that MS NT was origanally written by Novell (a good company, NT originally stood for Novel Technology) and that is the reason for the stability.
As far as I am conserned Microsnot is the biggest bullshit company that ever existed (not for the software, but because they are trying to dominate EVERY market, and people are sick of it)
Did you also know that they didn't write DOS, and that it was originally called QDOS wich stood for "Quick and Dirty Operating System", from day one Microsoft have copied every one elses ideas and got away with it. I say DOWN WITH MICROSNOT.
PS: XP is the most unstable OS I have encountered (I work with it every day as I am a computer serviceman)
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by paul on Sunday 17/Nov/2002, @12:11
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I must agree with this guy... Microsoft has ripped off everyone elses ideas. Just look at some of the changes in Windows XP for example... grouping of windows, tab-completion on the command line, the ipv6 programs... all of it is just like linux has had for years. However, i can't complain. Windows XP is a great operating system (granted that you run it on compatible hardware, configure it correctly, and don't do anything to make it unstable). And yes, linux is very much so a server OS, and a great one at that. But by all means, don't call linux users douchebags and fags, thats just a disrespect to the father of microsoft software. Oh, and about your comment of linux in 1996... it WAS better than DOS.
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by asf on Sunday 17/Nov/2002, @19:40
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> grouping of windows
uh, "linux" didn't have this "for years". OS/2 had something like it. The KDE developers saw a screenshot of a beta of WindowsXP and implemented into KDE (incidently, before windowsxp came out).
> tab-completion on the command line
uh.... "linux" doesn't have this also. shells do.
> the ipv6 programs.
heh, i guess using your logic, linux ripped off bsd and unix's ipv4 support/programs.
come on, ipv6 is a standard that has to be implemented by everyone, heh.
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by cgDEF on Sunday 25/May/2003, @13:46
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Hey dumbass, before you start claming something you should get your facts straightened out. First of all it was Microsoft that was on the development team for OS2 and not the Linus Torvald so in a matter of speaking Microsoft stole something from IBM and not linux. Second of all linux is an evolution/based on the Minix OS and has nothign to do with Windows and third of all the delopment of KDE 3.1 started long before that of Windows XP. So now YOU tell me if someone stole the pressious XP look (which by the way the majority of the IT comunity hated at first). Oh yeah and before you really start jundging which OS is better I really think that you should get some more experience in both Linux and Windows.
Enought of teenage assholes who don't know shit about shit but think that they are great because they just read one of the best articles in their lives.
PS. (Man you must've really pissed me off) And if you really had some experience with KDE 3.1 you would know that KDE is actually ahead of Windows XP at the moment. So good luck and have a nice life SHEEP!
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by scarnie on Wednesday 19/Feb/2003, @08:06
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Actually, I'd suggest you get your facts straight. NT stands for New Technology, and the development team was was originally lead by <B>David Soloman</B>, who was a lead developer for the VAX/VMS operating system. That's why NT is stable.
http://www.webreviews.com/9806/inside_nt.html
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by scarnie on Wednesday 19/Feb/2003, @08:06
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Actually, I'd suggest you get your facts straight. NT stands for New Technology, and the development team was was originally lead by <B>David Soloman</B>, who was a lead developer for the VAX/VMS operating system. That's why NT is stable.
http://www.webreviews.com/9806/inside_nt.html
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Wrong! NT = New Technology
by Malc on Monday 10/Mar/2003, @12:14
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<I>"Did you also know that MS NT was origanally written by Novell (a good company, NT originally stood for Novel Technology) and that is the reason for the stability."</I>
BZZZT. Wrong. The NT in Windows NT stands for "New Technology". It has far more to do with DEC's VMS than anything from Novell. It think (but could be wrong) that the original team that started developing it back in 1989 (or 1988??) consisted of about six Digital people and one Microsoft person. NT was originally called internally OS/2 NT as it was originally intended to succeed OS/2, Microsoft's replacement OS project with IBM.
Some history: http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?IssueID=97&ArticleID=4494
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Re: Wrong! NT = New Technology
by Tizza on Friday 27/Jul/2007, @03:02
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Im pretty certain that when i attended a Microsoft course, out tutor advised us that NT didnt ACTUALLY stand for anything, and although it is implied that NT stands for New Technology, Microsoft are not allowed to define NT as meaning anything, but NT.
Therefore Windows NT doesnt officially stand for New Technology, and same with NTFS just means NT File System..and not New Technology File System.
Can anyone comment on this?
Cheers
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by Angelo on Tuesday 04/Feb/2003, @06:42
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Wow, that was really dumb. Did a linux person write this? This is the best propaganda for linux people because it makes critics look stupid.
Anyway, I think anyone linuxer who knows what they're doing doesn't complain so much about WINDOWS as they complain about MS. And we don't like to support companies or the product of companies which gain monopolies through aggressive and illegal means. MS does not produce the quality of OS they COULD produce because of their monopoly. Sure, maybe "stealing" ideas from other companies is just "business" but the community of linuxers are more liberal/visionists in that sense.
Anyway, I think any linuxer would be ready to admit that Windows is just a fine operating system for the average user and gets the job done. There are a few annoying things about it, but I personally wouldn't expect MOST end-users to use Linux.
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by Kevin on Friday 11/Apr/2003, @19:21
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Come on guys,
Stop all of the fowl mouth bashing of other stuff. In the grand scheme
of things. Things are the way they are. Both Windows and Linux can be very
good server or desktop platforms. Windows has had its share of money poured
into development, and the areas of developmental focus have created a huge
amount of applications and features. Linux, in the beggining had no where
near the amount of development resources poured into it, and therefore
did not even come close in any respect. At this point in time Linux is
mostly being developed for the server platform and this shows. There are
however great strides and efforts being made on the Linux as a desktop
platform. Since Linux and Mac os X are cousins practically you can conclude
that Linux as Mac OS X, might be very good for the desktop user at some future
point in time.
I have noticed that most people historically who have made predictions about
the future of technology have quiet often times been wrong. My best advice is
have fun and lets see what happens. If you're geeky like me you'll love lots
of things about Linux on the desktop right now. If you need your great stores
of Windows applications to work you might not want to try Linux just yet. Also
most people are much more familiar with Windows. Should they change? That should
be entirley up to them and their needs.
Oh yes, and I almost forgot, nobody needs bashing!!!
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by yilmaz_durmaz on Monday 10/Nov/2003, @03:46
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hi guys
first, i am happy to hear that somebody used kde instead explorer. i will try it
secondly, to all arguing for windows/linux.
i am a active user of MS systems, and a system asistant. i am used many versions of it and see how secure or not is it. i can say that XP is most powerfull of them, but most crashable of them also.( I must say that i use total commander) for example explorer gave me an error 'cause of language bar, and immediately i lost desktop (task manager still can work), i could not find a way to get it back except reinstall windows. but if we ommit faults it the best.
and, I am a master student, and a programmer over 10 years. my university's student system is LINUX and i am using it minimum 5+1 years (system admin is my project teacher), and i know LINUX very well.
first of all, LINUX is designed for development, not general use, like UNIX. the best user of LINUX could be best programmer in the world. but not MS. if you want to install LINUX you should know programming also. (accept auto install packages) but for MS you shouldnt. even getting an x-window you should install many packages. redhat, slackware etc. comes with auto's, but you still face with many difficulties, IF YOU ARE AVARAGE USER. so it is not a user-friend OS so much.
i think, both are bullshit. because both of them requires many things.
but they do their jobs, and we must use them to do something. i like MS interfaces, file formats, disk managment, internet tips. i like LINUX's development style, speed, hardware usage (if it has installable :))), program managment. dont you have the same idea???? if not you dont know these systems. have a look on them. what parts you like.
i offer you to use a virtual PC program (vmware or virtualPC) and use both of them (one is virtual), or maybe a GUI like cygwin, winlinux for MS to emulate LINUX, or somthing like that(i forget names) to emulate MS on LINUX.
try this, because this is very usefull and funny. and teachs you much.
DO THIS ONLY IF YOU WANT TO BE A GOOD COMPUTER USER-DEVELOPER
OR DONT DO, IF YOU WANT TO BE ONLY A CLASSIC USER, AND ARGUE FOR THEM
have good programming days
and only ones can understand the difference which is best.
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by Pete on Thursday 13/Jul/2006, @04:50
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It never ceases to amaze me at the limited vocabulary and grossly stupid remarks those who hate anything not MicroSnot use when someone says anything about it they don't like.
Fact:
CPM "AKA DRDOS" was around long before IBM put out the IBM PC with PCDOS written by Bill Gates and co.
CPM worked very well.
Later after M$DOS had conquered the world I was in charge of a very large network that had over 1100 M$ machines.
While running M$DOS 6.22 with Windows For Work Groups 3.11 it crashed so often that we had to hire temporary help to even half keep up with the trouble tickets.
I tried an experiment. I loaded DRDOS, "CPM" version 7 onto my machine then installed WFW-311.
Holy Cow! Only about 20% of the crashes etc. Now I wonder where the problems were.
Not to mention much more security.
For example as IT took care of all the desktops we used what M$DOS didn't have.
We pass worded all the configuration files so users and pranksters couldn't edit, change, move or remove them.
I had a period where a prankster would go by a desk where someone was off to a meeting etc and remove IO.SYS and M$DOS.SYS. Next crash, "always right about the time you need it most" or the next reboot. DOA SYSTEM!
With DRDOS-7 and WFW-311 it all stopped!
At the same time I had another site I managed with about 200 Microsoft servers and desktops. Also the manufacturing, engineering and drafting departments used Unix, "HP-UX" servers and desktops.
Six service men couldn't keep up with the MicroSnot machine failures.
Two of us sat around bored because our job was the Unix machines. Reminded us of the Maytag man.
We helped the MicroSnot guys a lot.
No what is boring, dull, flat, limited, unsecured, system is really M$ any version.
I built and owned a rather successful ISP a few years ago and every problem I had was Micro$not.
All my servers, firewalls, routers etc were Linux.
Everything in my house is Linux except one laptop.
Yep, I have more problems with it than all my desktops, "three" and my servers "four" put together.
I now run a wireless network for a rather large neighbor hood.
Would I attempt this with Micro$not. Nooooooooooo!
I run wireless routers, access points etc that the Firmware has been replaced with a version of Linux.
Why?
Because I need it to work.
My desktops have had the BIOS replaced with Linux BIOS.
I boot in about 20 seconds from a cold.
Try that Micro$not user.
Now that I've got you all setup to start name calling and language assassination again try something.
Engage your brain before running your mouth!
Clean up your language and maybe you will be taken a little more seriously.
In the past I've often noticed the loudest, most obnoxious dissenters are those with the least knowledge of the subject they are blowing about
Pete
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by Allan on Thursday 08/Aug/2002, @22:55
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I tried this on a couple of systems. I tried it on a Win9x WinXP and a Win2k all of which seemed to do the same as you. People on this site seem to think that running KDE on a windows Machine will make it a linux machine. It wont. You'll still be running windows with just another GUI. Nothing else changes. Running linux apps may be possible .I guess . With a little true hacking. A little too much work for me. I'd rather just run Linux. And if yer just looking for a different GUI try liteStep or Windowblinds..Or something like that, If yer looking to run Linux apps ..Run linux. Typical windows users will not switch the GUI that comes with the system too much work with too much fear. Fear of damaging their precious computers.
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by Gernot on Thursday 03/Oct/2002, @23:55
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Well, - even though I know not a lot about the architecture of cygwin - I reckon there are advantages in running cygwin on a windows machine. Consider this analogy:
There is a huge toolbox, including everything a plumber might ever need. There are wrenches, pinchers, even a variety of shotguns and a high-voltage-laser ...
If a dumbfold plumber (call it an application) is allowed to pick the tools himself from the box, he might run across some real damaging ones ... if you sit an intermediary in between apps and tools, choosing the tools very carefully (the thing you guys call a GUI and just a GUI), "security" will be somewhat "higher".
So - even a GUI can improve the behaviour of a system in terms of security.
Regards,
Gernot.
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by finfangfoom on Friday 20/Dec/2002, @22:37
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It seems that this place has become clogged with a bit of propagandist rhetoric. However I will respond to the original post-
My experience with using KDE on cygwin was interesting to say the least-
I would say the distribution is solid at this point with the exception of the startup scripts included. I tried it out on a P4 with a gig of DDR and a pretty hefty video card and everything ran pretty smooth. I've seen many things crash KDE on linux and on the BSD distribution however KDE on Cygwin seems to hang in there. Many uninformed/wouldbe developers think that between all the operating systems things are pretty much equal. The advantage to having an IDE to develop programs for other processors is a good reason for running KDE. Canning the OS allows distributions to be more solid. You need this especially if you are, for example, creating a cross-compiler. The MFC will not allow for this type of flexibility. If it does you probably have to pay for it and the documentation is archaic at best. I did not check out the sound yet- but I definitely will be certain to. The graphics loaded at a very impressive and high resolution. There was, and I repeat, NO CONFIGURING THE X SERVER. It just worked right out of the distribution which was downloaded via generous FTP. The web browser was a little flaky but I was able to run iexplore on top of everything anyhow. Transparency does not seem to work but it has an interesting effect(!?!) System monitoring functions do not seem to work but thats because it is an OS on top of an OS possibly(?). The device listing is excellent of course. I really like the terminal options. Asteroids was great. I think the distribution has a lot of potential. For me it may be a bit slow to replace explorer.exe on my machine however I think there is much potential in it being a great development environment. I would say that if there are any wouldbe developers out there that dream of things other than Intel and AMD processors at the very least CYGWIN is a good place to start. When you get tired of typing "cd .." over and over you can then boot up KDE. One cannot compare Bash to DOS and VI to Edit they are just different. Thats why its good to have them all. Hopefully I will be able to shorten the load up time and replace explorer.exe but I may have to finish building my dual 1900+ machine first :)
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by jm on Friday 10/Oct/2003, @13:44
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Just like to say to all you fellows, get a life! The world does not revolve around Linux, MS or what have you!
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by nobody on Tuesday 27/Apr/2004, @06:47
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Since I don't have to work to pay M$, to resolve poor M$ problems, I now have the time to get a life!
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Linux Stability (Mandrake)
by Breadfan on Wednesday 01/Oct/2003, @10:09
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I crashed/phucked-up Mandrake Linux 9.1 the first hour I installed it. I tried to fix it, but failed. I crashed Microsoft Windows 2000 the first week I installed it. I tried to fix it, and was successful. I just did a re-install. Tried that with Linux Mandrake, no dice. It took trial and error(About 8 years starting with Win 3x) to learn Microsoft products, maybe I will use that tactic towards Linux.
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Re: KDE/cygwin replaced my explorer.exe
by axel on Friday 12/Dec/2003, @19:05
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Can you please explain own you do this ?
thanks
(im using konqueror on a cygwin to write this)
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