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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by HotPot on Monday 10/Dec/2001, @23:28
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I know what you mean. The best thing we have is "Netscape Composer." Which isn't bad for Personal Home Pages...but that's about it.
Do you hear that Shawn Gordon! I know you're reading this. If you want to make a LOT of money(I think), make Quanta more like Dream Weaver. That's what we need. I would pay for that. I won't pay for the current Quanta. I won't even use the free one :-)
Although, for now I think I'm gonna see what'll work under WineX.
Yes, I refer to it as WineX because that's why I use! |
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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by Shawn Gordon on Tuesday 11/Dec/2001, @13:04
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why don't you send me a private email for what features specifically you are looking for. I don't want to offend anyone with this statement, but I've found most professional web developers despise WYSIWYG tools for web development, they generate crap HTML typically and are often slower to work with if you really know what you're doing.
When i started doing web programming about 7 years ago, it was all notepad and HTML 1.0 if I recall correctly. Back then I wrote a really cool little preprocessor that allowed you to put variables in HTML and do parameter substitution and execute segments of web pages like sub-routines, i suppose I should have stuck with it.
In any case I had tried a number of WYSIWYG tools, but the best thing I found for being productive was HotDog from Sausage Software, and Quanta really reminds me of that tool.
So let me know what features you are looking for (I never used Dreamweaver myself) and we'll see what can be done. The component architecture of Quanta Gold makes future plug ins quite simple to implement, this was one of the limitations with the Quanta+ that we solved in the rewrite.
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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by Kenneth Chau on Tuesday 11/Dec/2001, @13:40
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WYSIWYG is a myth in the Web world. What you see in Dreamweaver or any other such editors is KIND OF what you get. Dreamweaver is NOT the only solution forWeb design/development, but I have to admit... it is one of the best. I guess what Dreamweaver excels at that Quanta does not have is the fact that it lets you format things visually and interactively. It lets you see KIND OF what you get with tables... adding and deleting COLUMNS of tables is HELLISH by hand if you would pardon my strong language here.
What I AM going to do for Quanta is to list out some specific things about Dreamweaver that shines:
- Table formatting - albeit inaccurate sometimes, but that's the BEST way really to format Web pages
- Visual feedback of what font/size would be on the page
- Library/template engine makes maintaining a large Web site a breeze
- Behaviors - predefined/wizards to JavaScripts is nice because I don't care to write the same roll over code twice
- Customization - the extensions (perhaps we can make plugins easily without compilation of source code...??)
- It is cross-platform in Win & Mac... honestly, Linux isn't the choice in Web DESIGN simply because it doesn't have something like Dreamweaver for me!
BTW... Does Quanta HAVE to affiliate with KDE? I mean, if it only depends on QT, can't we port it to the other OS's as well??
Just a thought... email/reply to this as you have comments/suggestions!!
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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by Shawn Gordon on Tuesday 11/Dec/2001, @13:52
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Quanta has a CSS editor, but I know what you mean about tables. God, nested tables within tables to align data is just a nightmare with HTML. I've run your ideas by the engineers.
Quanta Gold runs on Linux and Windows today, and has since the day it was released. We are working on the Mac version now and should have it available by the end of the month.
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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by Kenneth Chau on Tuesday 11/Dec/2001, @13:59
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Shawn, you are awesome. 12 minute response time. I'll note that about Quanta :) Who knows how long before folks at Macromedia would take before replying to ANYTHING I write. Once again, thank you.
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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by Jim on Wednesday 12/Dec/2001, @15:14
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> Table formatting - albeit inaccurate sometimes, but that's the BEST way
> really to format Web pages
Argh... NO! That is not the *best* way - it's an extremely ugly hack that is only necessary to support the layout in browsers that don't support standards (standards that are fairly old now).
Please, if you add the capability to lay out pages with tables, don't make it the default, whatever you do. It's about time people just bit the bullet and accepted the fact that it is OK to have old-fashioned layout for text browsers and five year old browsers.
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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by Kenneth Chau on Saturday 01/Apr/2006, @12:17
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That was many years ago... I've since moved on from using tables for laying out all of my sites. With advances like CSS/XHTML/JS/Ajax and what have you, you can really ditch the WYSIWYG world completely! Just mod your code and hit a refresh on your browser to see your results...
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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by Michael Collette on Wednesday 12/Dec/2001, @00:42
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Just thought I'd toss my 2 cents in here on this. I too would happily toss down cash on a reasonably decent WYSIWIG editor for web pages. I've been using Dreamweaver quite a bit since back to version 2.0 of their product. Presently I own a copy of 3.0 and haven't upgraded yet due to way too much focus on wiz bangy features that I don't want or need.
As a web developer I generally start my design work in Dreamweaver to get my layout put together. DW's HTML isn't perfect, but it's close enough. I would then take that code from that and bring it into an app like HomeSite to clean up the code a bit to my liking, and add my PHP into it. After the initial design work I rarely bring code back into DW to work on it, unless the page remained static.
Main features that I personally require out of DW are:
Table editing
Image placement
Form building
CSS creation and editing
Basic text formatting
What I don't use or need:
Prebuilt Javascript
Floating frames
Templates
DW Objects
Even without the layout options, there are a number of goodies in the file management that could be worked into something like Quanta. Namely, the mapping of a remote FTP site to the local directory structure. It is pretty cool to be able to click on a file and simply say "put". This is far more than just cool when you've got a client on the phone requesting a stack of little changes in various parts of the site.
Maybe a little later I'll bug ya with a full rant on what this developer would consider a full suite of web tools would consist of. Quanta is a damn fine start down that path, but it's not the whole picture.
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Re: WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
by gringoloco on Thursday 29/May/2003, @07:44
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HTML tables are hellish in Dreamweaver! DW adds an incredible amount of garbage to the code; I have no idea why. Often what you see in DW design view looks nothing like in IE. DW always seems to add extra space that you don't want, and then when you try to delete it, it throws the entire table out of whack. I try to fix it in the code, but DW has such a strange way of doing things, this is very difficult. I saw your site and wrote this after many hours of unsuccessfully attempting to place additional table cells alongside a prewritten table that I imported into DW. Anyone who sings the praises of DW probably has not used it much, but what is a better alternative?
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