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  LinuxPlanet: A Winding Path to KDE3
KDE in the News Posted by Navindra Umanee on Thursday 07/Feb/2002, @02:05
from the where-is-kde3 dept.
While we wait for KDE CVS and KDE mail to be resurrected, Hetz wrote in with a pointer to .dep's impressions of a pre-beta2 version of KDE3. It's actually quite positive (he finds KDE3 stable already), with screenshots, but also not without some criticism of KMail changes and a good point about the difficult-to-kill KOrganizer alarm daemon.


The only other thing that made me react was the drastic new semantics of Klipper. As a KDE2 user grown attached to Klipper and its quirks, I'm a bit apprehensive about the change in behaviour that's been forced by Qt3. On the other hand, many people from X Clipboard Interoperability land have long been clamouring for this change, and I'm sure there's a way to get Klipper to revert back to its old behaviour.

However, Klipper may now be less than useful in its default incarnation considering that most of us don't want to know a PRIMARY selection from a CLIPBOARD selection. Consider Konsole users too, who now have to go out of their way to get a selection into the default Klipper.

Oh, and before you get too excited, remember that KDE3 beta2 has not yet been released, let alone the final KDE3.

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well KDE 3.0 beta 1 has been released
by azhyd on Thursday 07/Feb/2002, @03:00
the 19th of december...
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Waiting...
by Andy "Storm" Goossens on Thursday 07/Feb/2002, @03:26
Does anyone know when CVS, mail, ... will be running again? It's taking a lot of time ( >2 days already ) to do only security related patches :-) But I suppose they are switching to a more powerful machine also.

Timing is good, everybody is waiting for Beta 2 to see what improvements have to be done before the final release. We don't want the servers go down when the moment is critical (just before release).
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While we're waiting...
by Eron Lloyd on Thursday 07/Feb/2002, @07:51
could someone post some nice screenshots to make us "cowardly" users not ready to compile from source drool some more? Thanks!

Eron
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Klipper broken ?
by Oded Arbel on Thursday 07/Feb/2002, @10:29
Not by far. anyone using gnome applications for any length of time (me for example, using evolution for email. not the best, but much more stable and useful then the KDE competitor) will encounter this anoying behaviour difference between the way GNOME handles the clipboard and the way KDE does. sometimes I have to go around copying and pasting something in to different text editors just to get a line out of konsole and into an email.
The problem is that GNOME is doing the "Right thing(tm)". since in X, the things that you select with the mouse and the clipboard is not the same thing, and shouldn't be mixed. in KDE, for example, it's impossible to copy something, then mark somewhere else and pasting over it (that is w/o going to klipper and playing with "previous content" which is an anoyance).
The way it should work (and as far as I know does work in QT3 - which is what anoyed the article's author) is like this :
when you select something with your mouse, you can paste it down with the middle mouse button. if you want to "paste" using and editor "paste" command or keyboard shortcut, you first have to "copy" it using the editor's command or keyboard shortcut (usually CTRL-C). this is (a) the correct thing according to X specs, (b) compatible with GNOME and (c) is the way windows users are used to work, which makes it easier for them to port over.

Now, to get something from Konsole to the "real" clipboard (not the mouse selection), we either have to add a "copy" command to Konsole's menu, or add something similar to Klipper - which should be fairly easy: a command to harvest the mouse selection into the clipboard.
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Klipper
by Enjolras on Thursday 07/Feb/2002, @12:06
That actually brings up an interesting question..is klipper really MEANT to work so damn strangely in KDE 2? Why, for the love of god, does it copy HIGHLIGHTED TEXT?!??! It makes it really annoying to copy something and then select some text that you want to paste over.. because you can't. The act of selecting the text causes it to be copied and then you have to manually set it back to what you wanted to copy in the first place. I can't find any way of turning this off either.. I don't want my text to be copied when I select it, I want it to be copied when I press the appropriate buttons to make it happen. Yes its how windows does it, but its the better way really.
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jpeg support for background
by a tired compiler... on Thursday 07/Feb/2002, @14:17
after 5 times of (fully) recompiling CVS I'm beginning to think this is not really a bug and it's my fault. For some strange reason I can't put any jpeg format background images (it supports whatever else: png, tiff, ....). I can display them in konqueror, but they are not shown as background.

I'm using mandrake's libjpeg62 rpm packages, and I configure QT with "-system-libjpeg", so it links using "-ljpeg".

Is there anything wrong with what I do?
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Korganiser
by cbcbcb on Thursday 07/Feb/2002, @14:49
So how *can* you get rid of that annoying Korganiser daemon?

Not that it matters at the moment as I've stopped using KDE 2.2.x as it's too buggy and slow ;) (yes I've reported the particular bugs which annoy me)
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Hurrah! Klipper less annoying!
by Avdi nGrimm on Friday 08/Feb/2002, @06:05
Personally, I hope that this change fixes one of my chief annoyances with KDE: the way klipper pops up the actions menu whenever I highlight a URL. Now, I like the actions menu; that's why I enabled it. But I'd much rather it only popped up when I explicitly clicked 'Edit->Copy', instead of every single freakin' time I highlight the the URL in Konqueror.
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Please Please Please
by KDE User on Friday 08/Feb/2002, @09:12
PLEASE tell me that the current way of select/copy/paste will be available in KDE 3. I will go insane if I have to do anything more than just hilighting (in ANY application) to copy. I want klipper to remember everything I hilighted, just like it does now. The world is perfect this way. I cannot stand the windows/mac way of doing things, it slows you down big time. I need my X/KDE2 style clipboard!!
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Klipper
by William coleman on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @10:12
I have been looking at klipper, In the actions setup I have had expressions using the %s twice, the first is substituted but the second is not. is there something that I can do to make the substitution in the second case, or do I look for shell variables to store the value?

Originally I was using mozilla with a action as follows...

ps x |grep -q '[m]ozilla' && mozilla -remote "openURL(%s, new-window)" || mozilla "%s"


I tried the %N$s format but it didn't work, any other ideas?
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