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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by antialias on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @07:55
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I understand that, I just thought that linuxformat.co.uk awards where KDE is nominated in 4 chategories is news. I was wrong, photosession showing kde developers eating pizza & dancing is obviously more important ;-)
But who cares, freekde.org is fortunatelly back soon.
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Navindra Umanee on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @08:03
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Look, I'm sorry we haven't written you back yet. You don't have to be a jerk about it.
The truth of the matter is that I (personally) haven't really investigated or decided what to do with your article yet, and I had others to process. Rob's submission came way before yours. I don't have an infinite amount of time on my hands, and nor do the rest of the *volunteer* moderators.
And yes, I'm glad freekde.org is coming back too. And no, I'm not jealous that you have an alternative.
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by antialias on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @08:16
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>Look, I'm sorry we haven't written you back yet.<
No problem :)
>You don't have to be a jerk about it.<
Huh, it sounded like jerking? ;-) Sorry, english is not my native language, and it was not my intention to be either rude or unpolite.
>I don't have an infinite amount of time on my hands, and nor do the rest of the *volunteer* moderators.<
Understood.
>And no, I'm not jealous that you have an alternative.<
Nothing to be envious about. Dot.kde.org links to freekde.org. Remark about freekde.org was not meant serious. Just a joke. When I start Konqueror the first thing I see is dot.kde.org. The same will be in the future.
Regards,
antialias
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Navindra Umanee on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @08:36
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Thanks, sorry for my reaction.
I'm at school, working on a hardish SSA problem in the library and just, as a break, popped by the terminal to see how the dot denizens were doing. Then I see this thread about "chosen ones" and wasn't exactly thrilled.
Thanks for the support.
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Jon on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @11:31
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You're running on Zope, aren't you? It's a pity that there isn't a Zope equivalent of 'scoop' (as run by www.kuro5hin.org), as that it baslly self running - the readers choose which of the submitted articles get posted.
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Neil Stevens on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @09:06
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Believe Navindra, guys. Navindra has been one of freekde's earliest supporters.
And everyone's support is appreciated. :-)
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Anonymous on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @08:05
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Let's wait until KDE wins something. :-)
Don't announce votings otherwise there will be reproaches afterward that it was influenced by KDE.
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Andy "Storm" Goossens on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @08:24
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freekde.org comes back, that's great
btw: what's going on with http://www.kdedevelopers.net ? Is someone still maintaining it? I doubt it...
I think a real KDE community site would be nice. Ok, we have www.kde.org for general info, the dot for news, ... but nothing for the KDE users/developers where they can see various stuff. I'm thinking of a poll, a common place to put pictures taken at meetings, interviews, ... What we have now, is pictures at host X, interviews at host Y, and so on... Not everyone has a host to share some things with the community.
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Hosting
by Neil Stevens on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @09:27
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Yes, it's being maintained, and it's there to supply hosting for KDE contributors who need it.
These issues you address are real ones faced by the community, but right now people who need hosting have many alternatives.
Go ahead. Take some pictures, or do an interview, then ask around for hosting for it. I bet you'll find many possible places to put it.
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Re: Hosting
by Andy "Storm" Goossens on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @09:59
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But when you visit kdedevelopers.net now, you get a lot of MySQL errors. I'm not a frequent visitor, but I saw the problem yesterday, and today it isn't fixed yet.
The last time I saw it (without the errors), it wasn't updated in months (news, poll, etc).
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Nick Betcher on Wednesday 27/Feb/2002, @10:37
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Hello,
I'm the maintainer of kdedevelopers.net. There was recently a very small MySQL error on the server after a complete migration from a 3.2gig hard drive and Redhat 6.2 to 40gigs and SuSE 7.3. Now my users have much more room, and I soon hope to provide exclusive CVS hosting to a few if needed.
Andy, although I don't post much on the front page, I do maintain the stuff "behind the scenes" (e.g. user webpages, email, ftp, etc). If you would like an account to host various stuff off of, please email me at nbetcher@usinternet.com.
Thanks,
Nick Betcher
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Andy "Storm" Goossens on Thursday 28/Feb/2002, @02:32
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OK, I was wrong. Happens all the time :-)
I don't need hosting at the moment, but I know some others that may want it.
I recently looked into your KDE Installer Project source code. I'm a beginning C++ developer (but I know other languages), so I may learn something from the code. Why was this project stopped? I assume installing packages was to difficult to do.
A small note for the KDE messenger: Dirk Mueller is working on Licq and he may give you some advice about it. (If he has some spare time that is...)
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Re: Posting news on dot.kde.org only for chosen?
by Dre on Tuesday 05/Mar/2002, @10:10
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Hi,
There is indeed a problem with feedback to rejected submissions, but the problem stems primarily from the fact that we are all extremely busy and there are a lot of submissions we feel are inappropriate. At other times, it may not be the case that the reason for a rejection can be explained properly, mainly b/c things involve value judgments and it takes a lot of time to draft a proper "official" response.
There are of course some people who advocate that a computer program do the submission review - that somewhere we should post a "formula" and apply it consistently to all submissions, so that somehow there is no editorial judgment involved. This view is completely unrealistic, and though you may find the occasional site that attempts to post a submission policy, if you compare the policy with the accepted and rejected items (the latter being much harder to locate), you will find that there really isn't much point to it.
At least from my perspective, and I am just one editor of many, the broad outlines, which should be so obvious as not to need posting, are that:
(1) they are related to KDE
(2) they are news
(3) they are likely to be of interest to a broad base of our readers; bonus points if they are likely to generate discussion
(4) they are within the confines of the purpose of the site (so generally we do not accept third party press releases, such as application releases, since appsy exists for that purpose; however, application reviews are much more interesting, and you can see from the KDE.de App of the Month series and stories on some other published reviews, particularly in non-Linux media, that we do accept such submissions)
(5) they are responsible journalism
In your case, we decided not to post the story b/c it would be viewed as "biasing" the poll. Our general policy is not to announce polls that involve KDE unless necessary to compensate from an announcement elsewhere. Unlike some, I believe that polls should be unbiased and the dot should not be used as a vehicle to draw people to a poll that would otherwise not run across it. This would be item (5) above. I realize that others will disagree with this policy, but the one and pretty much only benefit of being the one that actually does the work, is that your opinion counts for more :-).
It's not clear to me, anyway, that the existence of a poll is even news (item (2) above). There are many sites that have a daily poll. I personally don't think polls are news. Of course, the results could be, so please let us know when they are ready :-).
Anyway, one thing people forget is that the Dot itself is an Open Source project. We have maintainers, who work for free in their spare time, to create a site that KDE users will find useful and interesting. In fact, the site was started by Navindra and myself (actually we were working simultaneously on two different sites, as we both felt a news site was needed, and when I found out about Navindra's efforts I asked to join him and he cordially agreed), but there are a large number of other editors involved, or with the ability to get involved, in the project.
When you think of the site as an Open Source project, managed by volunteers who are very busy with other things as well, a lot of issues are hopefully clearer. Just like I cannot demand that company A or developer B include feature Y in their Open Source product - or that they "publish" their paradigm for including or not including features, under the assumption that if somehow my feature request fits inside this published paradigm the company or developer has an *obligation* to include it - nobody can demand that the dot does anything. The dot is not a monopoly, there are a million websites in the world you can publish news, many of which get far more traffic than this site. FreeKDE.org is a fine example of a site which was launched because Neil was dissatisfied with our editorial policies. People interested in commercial products know where the website is. This is KDE's website, so the news is principally about KDE.
What's important to consider is that if you look at the biggest opponents of our editorial policies -- which, frankly, are Shawn and Neil -- they are on exact opposite sides of the spectrum, or at least it seems to me. There is no way to please everybody. I try to do my best job for the site. At this I and the other editors may fail at times, but overall, I think we do a great job here, and the success of the site speaks for itself.
That said, I do not mean to say the site can't use a facelift. For example, I would like to see a "subsection" of the part where stories which are in fact arguably stories (i.e., ignoring trolls and the many tech support questions we get) which are not approved by the editors (i.e., unmoderated, except to remove trolls) are listed, and having a list of current threads on the right side of the main page. I would also like to see "KDE PR" section where companies can post press releases, and these can also be seen in a sidebar. And of course there are other things I would like to see, like user moderation so that we don't have to yank obvious trolls. My problem is, I don't know, or care to learn, Python, so I have not seriously suggested these ideas, perhaps other editors agree with them or not.
As to the future, the site may be migrating to PHP (which my "original" site was based on, before I joined with Navindra), in which case I can contribute quite a bit more code for improvements, since, well, I have a lot of PHP code.
Hope this answers some questions. I am very busy the next few days so please accept my apologies if I ignore this thread from here on out.
Dre
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