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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by Andy "Storm" Goossens on Monday 04/Mar/2002, @13:34
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Using Mandrake for everydays use seems better to me. (and it makes David Faure happy :-) They use Mandrake but only on stand-alone workstations. I hope they know what they're doing :-)
Let servers run RedHat or other distros that are server-centric...
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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by Marco Krohn on Monday 04/Mar/2002, @14:11
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Because RedHat was not very happy about KDE in the beginning (to put it mildly). If I remember correctly the RedHat CEO said something like "there will never be a KDE in RedHat...". Then Mandrake was released which was (in the beginning) RedHat + KDE and a couple of months later RedHat was "forced" to include KDE too ;-)
Nowadays things have cooled down and RedHat even sponsors a developer (Bernhard "bero" Rosenkraenzer).
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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by Rob Kaper on Monday 04/Mar/2002, @15:14
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Bero isn't primarily sponsored for his KDE work, though, AFAIK. But there is a major difference between the visions of Red Hat US and Red Hat Europe. KDE has always been more popular in homebase Europe and this is also true for RH.
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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by jorge on Monday 04/Mar/2002, @17:09
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Redhat's "problem" with KDE was the QT license, the same license that kept KDE out of Debian until recently (how long has it been anyway?). Debian, being more vehement about that kind of thing, took longer.
And with Mandrake's current releases being a buggy nightmare (I'm hoping 8.2 will be up to the quality of their earlier releases) - I've been recommending Redhat to newbies.
Either way, I've been enjoying the Debian KDE packages immensely, they rock.
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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by fault on Monday 04/Mar/2002, @18:12
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Yep, I too love the support of KDE in Debian. This was primarily due to one underappreciated man, Ivan Moore. Last time I checked, he wasn't maintaining the packages anymore (other people are), but he deserves a lot of respect for making very good packages and turning the once hostile Debian project very KDE friendly now.
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Urban Myth
by Moritz Moeller-Herrmann on Monday 04/Mar/2002, @23:26
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Well Redhat said, they thought distributing KDE was illegal. They then skipped KDE in a few distributions and sponsored GNOME as a replacement for their commercial sucky "Looking Glass" Desktop. They basically fell for Miguel de Icazas propaganda and also wanted to have total control over the desktop environment development, which they would never have with KDE.
There might also have been anti-European prejudice and NIH-syndrome involved. I digress.
Basically, they proved that the license issue was not the reason for their GNOME support was not the KDE license by including KDE back into Redhat (because of Mandrake) before the license isssue had been resolved.
Until this day the Redhat KDE is always a neglected, badly compiled and buggy part of their distribution and it is also the reason why in Europe nobody is seriously considering Redhat for desktop use. SuSE and Mandrake rule here.
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Re: Urban Myth
by ac on Tuesday 05/Mar/2002, @10:11
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Badly compiled and buggy? Then why are all these companies using KDE with Red Hat?
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Re: Urban Myth
by ac on Tuesday 05/Mar/2002, @14:03
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Because they are based in the US and Redhat has a big presence in the US?
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yes, BADLY compiled and BUGGY. Here's why.
by Eduardo on Sunday 10/Mar/2002, @23:16
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Yes, badly compiled and buggy indeed. Horribly buggy. Want to see proof? Go here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54220
This is a bug renders most european keyboards UNUSABLE. If you use RedHat with KDE, you'd better not try to use deadkeys or writing in Spanish, Italian, French, German, Hungarian, Portuguese, and the like. This bug have been present in pre-7.2 RawHide, then got into 7.2, and got through an errata that updated KDE to 2.2.2, to no avail. IT IS STILL OPEN. Red Hat is denying us something as simple and essential as the ability to write our own language.
That is why Moritz' criticism of RedHat releases of KDE as buggy and badly compiled are right on target. It is just too obvious that KDE support in Red Hat is just laughable.
BTW, I am part of the KDE 3.0 Spanish translation effort. Needless to say, this bug has made my KBabel experience far more "pleasant".
PLEASE RED HAT, GET A CLUE!
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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by Joergen Ramskov on Tuesday 05/Mar/2002, @01:05
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KDE will be officially supported in the next version of RedHat. Bero has said that in a post on Slashdot.
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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by Navindra Umanee on Monday 04/Mar/2002, @16:25
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It's my fault this is not clear in the article, since Dre actually gave the reason why he said that, but last minute I felt it was a bit too verbose.
The reason Dre used the word ironic there is because Red Hat more or less focuses on the Server market and insists on ignoring the desktop.
Apologies to Dre and everyone confused by this.
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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by Carg on Tuesday 05/Mar/2002, @13:43
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They donīt ignore the desktop. They spend a lot of resources on it (thereīre the packagers, the manuals, and all the traning for their support staff).
The desktop is not RHīs focus, but they certainly donīt ignore it.
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Re: Like a free ride when you've already paid
by concord on Monday 11/Mar/2002, @08:34
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You're forgiven... just don't let it happen again. ;-)
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