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Awesome
by Judge Dread on Tuesday 14/May/2002, @15:39
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Now if only kcontrol got smaller size-wise...my 1024x768 feels so crammed with default kcontrol size. I really like the small gnome2 config dialogs(of course they have less stuff), but they are tiny/tidy. Also the no-apply button feature is kinda cool, how results can be seen right away(not sure if kde needs this), there seems to be a need for a revert button in gnome now :)
Anyway, can you guys look at kicker itself now? Stuff like modifying the "K" graphic, assigning shortcuts to it, modifying the konsole icon to exectute aterm, stuff like that is kind of tricky. Also the whole kde vs non-kde buttons are confusing, it should all be streamlined. And yes, I dont know the solutions, I just know whats inconvenient :(.
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Weird..
by Rob Kaper on Tuesday 14/May/2002, @16:08
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This doesn't look like new changes, the screenshots look like KDE has been for a long while..
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good stuff
by Ez on Tuesday 14/May/2002, @16:30
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as said
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General KDE usability comments
by David Siska on Tuesday 14/May/2002, @16:42
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Firstly, how about changind the default ordering of buttons in the title bar, so that the CLOSE button is far away from the MINIMISE, MAXIMISE and MENU buttons? Or is it just me who ended up accidentaly closing programs, when all I wanted to do is see more of it (maximise)?
Secondly I remember seeing (probably my friends windows XP comp), was showing the scaled down screenshots of the actual program, when cycling between windows (Normally invoked by ALT-TAB and you get an icon and what's in the titlebar of the window). Bit like what the pager applet does but invoked by ALT-TAB and thus not taking up screen space all the time. I liked it. What do people think?
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What else do they have up their sleeve?
by Peter Clark on Tuesday 14/May/2002, @19:14
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The usability.kde.org website was a little...spartan...when it came to details about what the usability team has in store. I'm running 2.2.2 (still waiting patiently for those .debs), so I don't know if their suggestions for Konsole and Kicker were implemented. And since the archives are a little too big for quick perusal, would someone mind giving a Reader's Digest Condensed version of what's going on?
:Peter
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Nice Stuff, and a suggestion
by a.c. on Tuesday 14/May/2002, @21:06
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The concept of import/export, files, printers, database are all the same thing. These should not be seperated. An application should use 1 to 3 kio's (file stream, page, && table/sql). The conversion between fileformats should be external to the application. During the open/save dialogs, the applicable choices should be allowed. Likewise, the printer should simply be part of output (it should be a page kio).
This would allow :
1) a clean seperation of import/export from application,
2) new ideas to be easily added in the future (perhaps via a plugin on the open/save dialog)
3) the constant re-use of import/export code. If somebody creates an output of png, and a 2'nd person creates a conversion of png->jpeg, then the application is now able to save in jpeg. Likewise, if app does a page kio of PS, and somebody follows up with PS->tiff, then a nice fax interface is easier. Or perhaps PS->mng, etc.
Finally, the Location menu should be easily configurable with shortcuts to these. Allow a user to add what they want. I don't believe in paper, so I have no need for a printer. But I would love to send the data directly to kmail or kopete to send a file directly to someone.
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Ewwww
by JRM on Tuesday 14/May/2002, @21:10
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Guys/Gals, The new Location config really really really sucks!
Did a quick test with a non-geek and they were totaly clueless about what the hell it was, much less how to make it work.
You should label the locations buttons IMHO
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Possible suggestion
by Carbon on Tuesday 14/May/2002, @22:10
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I know everyone's full of these, but I'd like to see how other people feel about this, and for various reasons, I can't get a mailing list account.
Anyways, one thing that bugs me about KDE 3 is that annoying sidebar in the file open dialogs. I'm not going to get huffy about how it's like Windows (not that being like Windows is much of a plus, either), but there is something I do dislike about it: it wastes screen space, which I find valuble for actually attempting to locate the file I'm looking for! The stuff that appears in the sidebar should be under the pop-up menu on top, anyways, since it doesn't take up any extraneous room up there. Or, better yet, make it optional. What do you guys feel about this?
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Hide Button Size?
by Anonymous on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @00:09
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At first glance it seems the option to change the hide button size disappeared. It need that!
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What about the last tab? (Extentions)
by Thorsten Schnebeck on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @02:36
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Hi!
This Child-Panel stuff etc. is not very intuitive. Would be nice if all panels share the same config options and dialogs.
But the new dialogs are really an improvement!
Bye
Thorsten
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I'm impressed
by John Gustafsson on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @06:56
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I like how KDE is comming along, and it's nice to see that it improves and that things like this is worked upon. I am still not using KDE myself (because I don't have an extra computer that is fast enough to play with it) yet though. Just a little pat on the shoulder and "nice work, keep it up".
About the placement of the kicker. Just a little thought:
In windows (jippie ^_^) you can simply grab the taskbar and move it to where ever you want it. They had a problem that people accidently moved it, so a "lock taskbar" option was added. Pretty simple and easy.
So how about removing the picture of the monitor, put a picture of the current desktop background there instead, and put a little image of the kicker on the small dekstop image. Then make it possible to move it around to which side one wants to (making it snap to the sides, graying it out while moving etc).
The downside one might say is that a so called non-geek wouldn't know how to do it. I'd like to (try) to qoute Einstein here "Make it as simple as possible, but not more so" (I probably got the words totally wrong;)). Moving the kicker isn't the first thing these people will do, so don't try to make the dialog overly obvious. The problem here is that it's a custom control that doesn't appear anywhere else (yet). Is there other similar options/cases when a control such as this is useful? Then it could become much more useful.
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Icons and fonts
by Joe on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @07:24
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There are two things that I would like to see the usability project take care of:
1. Icons: Collect all icon settings in one place (zooming, size, animation, etc.)
2. Fonts: Collect all font settings in one place (including Konqueror's and kdesktop's)
Please.
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One suggestion
by Jeff Dooley on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @10:52
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In 3.0, I liked that the "Configure Desktop" & "Configure Background" were combined in the root-window context menu (when you right-click on the desktop).
My preference (i'm sure its been mentioned before, but anyway)... still, my preference would be to combine all the "Look & Feel" configurations to one dialog box when you right-click on the desktop.
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Great job! Only that position dialog...
by MPatton on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @11:59
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somehow does not fit-in well... I do not know "( I would say this really need some other idea.
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Great Job
by Abdulla on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @12:11
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I'd just like to say I think the new design is a lot better, its cleaner and easier to use, very approachable and practical, a nice cleanup of it all which was really needed, thank you KDE Usability Team.
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800x600 resolution and KDE
by Rizwaan on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @13:44
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the Configuration dialogs are way too big at 800x600 resolution. So, I would appreciate a smaller configuration dialogs which won't hide the 'OK' 'Cancel' and 'Defaults' buttons when not-maximized or maximized.
Especially the "Find File" Dialog box is very big and can't be resized to a smaller size, which is again very user unfriendly.
Theme Manager must include:
1. Style (the theme and style creators have to write shell scripts to install individual themes and styles). it would be wonderful if style be a part of theme
2. Fonts (as a part of theme, fonts will make a nice addition in theme manager).
3. kicker position/configurations (like kicker background, size etc., can also be a part of theme).
thanks...
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Very good job indeed
by Mat Colton on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @17:38
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Everything is very logical and less crammed, very nice.
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"hide button size" option
by me on Wednesday 15/May/2002, @20:10
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Original message by "Moritz Moeller-Herrmann" on Wednesday May 15, @02:27PM:
"I actually suggested removing that piece of crap. Choose a sensible size and that's it. No reason to configure things like that. kcotnrol is already full of useful options, no need to add stupid ones.
(If you want, document how to change it in the config files)"
It is not "good idea" to remove "hide button size" option.
Good idea is to make everyone change everything in their desktop.
Do not limit my/yours/others freedom. It is Windows-way to tweak some things in "registry", not unix. e.g. If you make GUI interface, it must have GUI controls to change something. If you make console-UI (TUI) then it is "o.k." to change something in .conf files.
I hope someone heard me, Thanks.
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Suggestion
by Philippe Fremy on Thursday 16/May/2002, @01:29
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I suggest to add some text to the location frame of the position tab. Something like "Click on the rectangle to set the panel's position". It is not obvious out of the box what these frames are for, if you are not familiar with this control panel.
Usually some small text helps to a great extent to understand some feature. Do not hesitate to add some, any clever and usable your layout is.
And congratulation for the good work.
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Software Engineer
by Nicholas Allen on Thursday 16/May/2002, @06:58
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Looks great! I agree with most of the suggestions on this page.
I would really like to be able to edit the K menu (ie application from this dialog). It would be cool if there were a button (called "Edit Menus..." or something similar) on the Menus tab in the K Menu section which could launch kmenuedit. This way you can configure the entire panel from this dialog. Otherwise you have to go to System/Menu Editor in the K menu to edit them (on RedHat anyway).
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Window placement is messed up in KDE
by Tony Caduto on Thursday 16/May/2002, @22:20
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I really hate the way windows pop up all over the place.
If you open a new message in Kmail it should be centered on the screen, not in the lower or upper corners. You then have to move it to the midddle to work with it.
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Need better Help system
by Fredrik C on Friday 17/May/2002, @06:41
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Linux needs a unified help backend system. I constantly find myself using Windows when programming python because of the docs based on the Winhelp system.
As it stands now most docs it’s not much more sophisticated then plain html. Fortunately most new Linux docs are docbook based so the foundation is there it’s just a nice consistent help system with a good search and indexing that’s missing. I know GNOME also uses docbook so maybe a common help system backend could eliminate the need to launch Nautilus when just to view help on a small gnome app in KDE and vice versa.
I’d like to work on this but I’m not a C++ coder but I’d love to help out with other tasks.
BTW. The ability to view man and info pages in kongu kicks ass.
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Another suggestion...
by Nicholas Allen on Friday 17/May/2002, @08:09
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One more idea I had: The placement of the panel should use toggle buttons around the side of the monitor. This way you can see which one is selected (ie the one you clicked would remain pressed down). I also think a picture of the KDE desktop would be more appropriate than a monitor.
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No "Enable background tiles" global option
by Tok on Monday 20/May/2002, @18:04
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In panel-> look & feel, in background tiles, the global option to turn off/on background tiles is missing. Why is this useful feature being removed ? This is definitely required. Why should the user change 6 different buttons to "No tile" when the same effect can be achieved simply by deselecting the global option ?
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