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Re: And where...
by A Ivarsson on Sunday 28/Jul/2002, @12:12
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| What do you mean not a desktop environment. It is certainly not just a window manager. It has a lot of functionality and extras, maybe not as COMPLETE as KDE, but still it certainly has some interesting stuff there. |
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Re: And where...
by Spark on Sunday 28/Jul/2002, @13:19
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It has probably something of a desktop, but it is certainly not a desktop environment. The development environments are actually the biggest part of a DE like KDE or GNOME, not the panel and background managment.
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Re: And where...
by antialias on Sunday 28/Jul/2002, @19:39
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A desktop environment has to have some functionality which Enlightenment doesn't have: panel, icons on the desktop and at least a file manager. Not to talk about a lot of applications (browser, e-mail client, irc client, office suite etc. etc.). It has been announced that Evolution 0.17 would have some of DE functionality, but it is not here yet. And taking in consideration that Rasterman has a very pessimistic opinion about the future of Linux desktops I doubt it that you will see Enlightenment 0.17 in near future. When a main coder of a project doesn't believe in what he is doing the future of that project doesn't look bright.
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Re: And where...
by A Ivarsson on Monday 29/Jul/2002, @03:46
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Okay, maybe I confused desktop environment with user interface here. Still, i don't understand why every DE would need a panel like in KDE. There could be different approaches.
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Re: And where...
by Vadim Plessky on Tuesday 30/Jul/2002, @00:29
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Yes, of course, there can be different approaches...
In fact, Netscape promised to build Desktop based on Browser. Hey, when it was? I guess ... 7 years ago!
So far, all major OSes/environments (Windows, MacOS, KDE, GNOME) use Panel.
And (almost) all users are get used to those Panels.
So, I think there is nothing wrong to use Panel in mainstream Desktop Environment.
Cheers,
Vadim Plessky
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Re: And where...
by cosmo on Tuesday 30/Jul/2002, @02:56
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Not so fast. MacOS, IIRC, didn't use to have a panel before version 10, yet nobody would say that it wasn't a desktop environment. OSX inherited the panel from NeXT's dock which, however far you stretch it, was not really a panel. And NeXT didn't have icons on the desktop either. Yet, many will agree that NeXT was a desktop environment, much like GNUstep, which doesn't have a panel or icons on the desktop, but still provides the basic infrastructure libraries.
It doesn't have to look and smell like Windows to be a desktop. The power of KDE is that you don't really need the kicker or the desktop icons to be productive. It's true that the panel idea is very common (you forgot CDE and, by extension, XFCE), but it doesn't mean that one cannot do without it.
On the other hand, Raster & co keep stressing that E17 will not be a DE, but a desktop shell.
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Ot: Browser based desktop
by Morty on Tuesday 30/Jul/2002, @08:59
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> Yes, of course, there can be different approaches...
>In fact, Netscape promised to build Desktop based on Browser. Hey, when it was? I guess ... 7 years ago!
They did! Have you looked at EOne(?), I think they do exactly that using mozilla.
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Re: Ot: Browser based desktop
by Vadim Plessky on Wednesday 31/Jul/2002, @03:01
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I was speaking about Nestcape, now AOL Time Warner.
EOne is different product/company.
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Re: Ot: Browser based desktop
by jimmy on Saturday 05/May/2007, @06:12
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A web based desktop can be found at: www.oos.cc
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Re: And where...
by A Ivarsson on Wednesday 31/Jul/2002, @13:45
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About the panel. Is not the panel supposed to represent things that we usually do not keep on top of our desk? Like the trashcan. Usually, I put the trashcan on the floor and my "home"(my files) on the shelves. The desk(desktop) is only for stuff I am currently working with. I have fanally seen somebody take the trashcan of the desk, Mac OS X. Iguess it is possible in KDE too.
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Re: And where...
by Spark on Wednesday 31/Jul/2002, @16:16
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Yeah I had exactly the same thought. The desktop is stupid place to put my trashcan and important stuff on. And it's funny how this analogy fits for computer systems. :) The desktop is great to temporarily place work there but it's awefull for important stuff (because it constantly gets covered by something).
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Re: And where...
by Vadim Plessky on Monday 29/Jul/2002, @07:22
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Ok, Rasterman can be very pessimistic about the future of Linux desktops, but I am pretty optimistic. :-)
Well, not only Enlightenment - also IceWM development stagnated (as it was predicted by some people). Hopefully, this doesn't affect KDE at all. Neither IceWM not E are important for KDE success.
Re: "Rasterman has a very pessimistic opinion about the future of Linux desktops" - you are right. I doubt E will have success with such low morale.
Regards,
Vadim Plessky
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Re: And where...
by Kristian Köhntopp on Wednesday 31/Jul/2002, @02:02
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> ... at least a file manager.
The E17 filemanager is, or will be, http://evidence.sourceforge.net/.
Kristian
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