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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by Daniel Naber on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @06:50
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File a bug report about that :-)
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by Dawit A. on Friday 20/Sep/2002, @20:12
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hehehehe... What an appropriate response!
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by Ricardo Cruz on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @08:26
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Mozilla is totally independent from Gnome.
Mozilla (and Netscape) don't use GTK, they use their own APIs.
Gnome is using Bugzilla for submiting bugs, so what?!
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by Julian Rockey on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @08:41
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Actually not sure about that... when I to try start the Mozilla 1.1 binary in a fresh environment without GTK, it complains about the GTK library not being present..
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by GF on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @08:57
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You can compile mozilla to use QT instead of GTK, one of the big advantages of having an abstract toolkit.
If you're interested, here are the recommended configure options for Qt Mozilla:
--without-gtk
--with-qt
--enable-toolkit=qt
--disable-tests (required because Qt Mozilla does not include some extra
widgets used by the tests, but not Mozilla itself)
You can also use:
--with-qtdir=<path_to_QTDIR>
otherwise $QTDIR is used.
--
GF
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by fault on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @09:59
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Mozilla is competely independent from any graphical toolkits. On X11, it can use xaw, gtk, qt, as a backend. It just happens that you are using a binary compiled with gtk (which is standard on X11). It's not really a gtk app, however. It doesn't even use gtk's event loop. It does use gdk for drawing.
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by fault on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @10:02
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Uhm, nice troll. Bugzilla is probably the best free bug reporting/collecting software to exist.
It's not tied to GNOME at all, but
besides, what's wrong with using GNOME tools?
Other things in KDE use gnome-derived things.. anyways, why the hatred of GNOME? It's completely misplaced. Hate Microsoft if you want to hate someone.
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by Jeff on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @10:53
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Ummm.... I think he was just making a joke!
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I hope so....
by Maarten Rommerts on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @11:47
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KDE and GNOME should work together, instead of fighting. Only then we make a difference in user-friendly desktops against Micosoft.
And by the way: flame-trowing against Bill Gates is much more fun!
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Re: I hope so....
by Christian Parpart on Thursday 19/Sep/2002, @08:43
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But, WTF is GNOME adopting such alot non-desktop libraries, even GIMP is seen as a GNOME application by lots of users, but it isn't.
I am talking about libraries like libxml2, libxst. They're really backend libraries, wich has n0thing to do with GNOME. But they're told to be GNOME libraries.
And, what about mc (Midnight Commander)? This is a console application, a Norton Commander clone. Why is this part of GNOME? GNOME just took the right to adopt mc to be its initial standard file manager. aha. nice. a console filemanager for the desktop as standard gui FM ;)
And, of course, I do not see BugZilla as a GNOME application. It has a different homepage, it has a different CVS repository, and I really can't connect it to GNOME anyway. So BugZilla is not part of GNOME.
Well, it's not that I don't like GNOME. I like it. It's good to have concurrents (to KDE, etc). But what I really don't like is its history, why it has been created, and how it adopts all the gtk based apps and other independant libaraies and console apps.
Cheers,
Christian Parpart.
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Re: I hope so....
by fault on Thursday 19/Sep/2002, @09:30
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> But, WTF is GNOME adopting such alot non-desktop libraries, even GIMP is seen as a GNOME application by lots of users, but it isn't.
I am talking about libraries like libxml2, libxst. They're really backend libraries, wich has n0thing to do with GNOME. But they're told to be GNOME libraries.
Well, these libraries were developed for GNOME in the first place. Other apps saw that they were useful and use them too. KDE does this too.. for example DCOP. It's a infastructure library, not a desktop library.
> And, what about mc (Midnight Commander)? This is a console application, a Norton Commander clone. Why is this part of GNOME? GNOME just took the right to adopt mc to be its initial standard file manager. aha. nice. a console filemanager for the desktop as standard gui FM ;)
Well, Miguel De Icaza wrote mc, so I guess he has the right to do it. This is the concept of copyright. :P
> And, of course, I do not see BugZilla as a GNOME application. It has a different homepage, it has a different CVS repository, and I really can't connect it to GNOME anyway. So BugZilla is not part of GNOME.
BugZilla was developed for usage in MoZilla. Notice why BugZilla has the "Zilla" part in it yet? ;0 BugZilla is as tied to GNOME as it is to KDE.
> Well, it's not that I don't like GNOME. I like it. It's good to have concurrents (to KDE, etc). But what I really don't like is its history, why it has been created,
I agree. I don't think GNOME should have ever been created. People should have worked on Harmony instead ;) But of course, I don't think GNOME is going to die any time soon either.
> and how it adopts all the gtk based apps and other independant libaraies and console apps.
That's called code reuse. It has been done in KDE too.
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Re: I hope so....
by Christian Parpart on Thursday 19/Sep/2002, @11:14
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> Well, these libraries were developed for GNOME in the first place. Other apps saw that they were useful and use them too. KDE does this too.. for example DCOP. It's a infastructure library, not a desktop library.
Yes, except that libxml was initially created out of GNOME, it came to GNOME later. But anyway, as you mentioned it, I would really like to see DCOP standalone as well. Why? Because I think DCOP is more that just for the D (Desktop) and it could then be used in other applications as well (non GUI based, e.g. a daemon). I would like to use DCOP in my applications, but depending on it would even produce ugly dependencies, lets say you develop a server using DCOP, this would require to have kdelibs installed on the server as well, even if you'll never have a desktop there.
> Well, Miguel De Icaza wrote mc, so I guess he has the right to do it. This is the concept of copyright. :P
You're right ;)
> BugZilla was developed for usage in MoZilla. Notice why BugZilla has the "Zilla" part in it yet? ;0 BugZilla is as tied to GNOME as it is to KDE.
Exactly. I just kept this in mind at time of my last writing because I read this in any post before :-P
Cheers,
Christian Parpart.
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by Pete on Wednesday 18/Sep/2002, @10:53
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Why are you such a wanker?
Instead of being so knee-jerk in your reactions, why don't you try thinking before you start spouting off?
Bugzilla is not a Gnome tool, Gnome just uses the tool to help report/track/fix bugs. Even if it were a gnome tool, who cares? Again, why are you such a wanker?
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by Stof on Thursday 19/Sep/2002, @08:35
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Are you somehow implying that GNOME is The Evil Enemy(tm)?
Why?
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by fault on Thursday 19/Sep/2002, @09:33
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> Why?
Because he's a troll, and trolls don't need any real reasons.
Or he might be a zealot.. which KDE and GNOME need, but of course, they shouldn't go around bashing the other desktop. Perhaps bashing the real Evil Enemy(tm).
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Re: KDE switches to GNOME ??!?
by Sta on Thursday 09/Jan/2003, @17:05
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"The real enemy" isn't any specific desktop environment.
"The real enemy" is apathy, hypocrisy, and idiocy.
"The competitor" might be a closer attribute; but still,
I think we should recognize the fact that KDE and Gnome
both share very vital, even if meaningless to some,
libraries. And in that same respect, help one another
cohesively when a developer from one team or the other
finds a bug in one of these libraries, and thus takes
active steps to see that the bug is remedied properly.
Again, I ask; aren't we more likely, as developers of
open source, to help one another than we are to be enemies
to one another?
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