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Re: cooperation with gnome
by Philippe Fremy on Thursday 28/Nov/2002, @01:32
As far as I know, the dependancy is on GObject and Orbit, because that's what the AT-SPI is based on. Being the first accessiblity toolkit for Unix, the most widely used (Mozilla, OpenOffice, Gnome, Java) and the most successful, it makes sense to use it.

I wonder why you post anonymously.
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Re: cooperation with gnome
by Olaf Jan Schmidt on Thursday 28/Nov/2002, @02:43
Just to clear things: KDE itself will not depend on GObject and Orbit. The existing AT-SPI solutions will be reached by a bridge probably depending on GObject or Orbit. This bridge won't be part of kde-core. It will be optional.
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Re: cooperation with gnome
by anonymous on Thursday 28/Nov/2002, @08:43
KDE was the first successful desktop for Linux and most widely used. It makes sense to use it.
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  • Re: cooperation with gnome
    by Philippe Fremy on Thursday 28/Nov/2002, @09:49
    And this is what the KDE-accessibility is going to do, use KDE. They are also going to leverage on the existing accessibility framework that was developed by Sun. This framework contains the fruit of many man-year and more than 10 years of experience with disabilities. This is far more than the experience of any coder on the KDE-accessibility list on this topic.

    If you disagree with the choice of the KDE accessibility project and want to start a project that compete with ATK or AT-SPI but based on KDE, this is perfect for me. I'll wish you good luck. I am sure that the KDE accessibility will make room for your projects if you ever finish it.

    However, if you just whine about KDE not developing its own technology and if you do not contribute anything, I suggest you just shut up. The KDE way is to do things, not to whine or talk for nothing.

    And really, I don't see why you keep posting anonymously. Are you ashamed of your identity ?
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    • Re: cooperation with gnome
      by Adam Treat on Thursday 28/Nov/2002, @23:43
      First of all I want to take issue with your abuse of anonymous posters. Just because someone chooses to post anonymously does not imply they have nothing important to say nor does it imply that they are ashamed of identity or the comments they've posted. It might feel nice to call someone out because they post anonymously, but it does nothing to further your own comments nor does it make the anonymous posters comments any less valid.

      Second, I don't think the parent post was 'whining' or just talking for nothing. He merely expressed an opinion that was partially positive as well as betraying a few misgivings. This was not an attack and does not merit a 'shut up or do something' response.
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      • Re: cooperation with gnome
        by Philippe Fremy on Friday 29/Nov/2002, @01:47
        I am sorry. I was pissed off and I made an unjustified agressive comment. Please apology for this.

        However, regarding posting anonymously:
        - I don't like it because you don't know if you are replying to the same person or someone else
        - I don't see any reason to hide my identity when I talk
        - I find critisizing something anonymously a coward act. You should at least stand by what you say.
        - you can't even mail the author to further the discussion if you think things need clarifications

        I did not dismiss the criticism. [ Nothing proves the positive comment was made by the same person that did the last one (problem of anonymous poster again) by the way ] But saying that KDE was the first widely deployed desktop is a cheap argument and does not bring much to the discussion.

        I find natural that people question the choices made by developers when they are not obvious. And I am open to answer any question. But I don't like the people that _critisize_ developer choices when they don't know what they are talking about (typical slashdot crowd attitude). This is disrespect toward the people that actually do the work. If you don't trust developers to make the right choices, then try to do better. But if you don't code for the project and don't know exactly the issues involved, then trust the developer.

        For more information about the reason to go with ATK/AT-SPI, please subscribe to kde-accessibility and read the archives. Good explanations have been given. And if anybody wants to critisize the choice being made with valid argument, let him do it on the right place, on KDE-accessbility, with an email one can actually reply to.
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