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Re: would it kill you to use Evolution
by Datschge on Friday 27/Jun/2003, @15:43
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I don't know if you are aware of that, but you are completely missing the point. Kontact hasn't been started just for adding yet another Outlook clone PIM but first and foremost as a feature complete KDE PIM client for the Kloab server infrastructure (http://kolab.kde.org/), offering an open source Kolab/Kontact counterpart for the commercial Exchange/Outlook combo. Evolution, Mozilla Mail and all the other mail/PIM applications are open and very welcomed to integrate support for accessing the Kolab server, but so far there are only the Kolab client and soon Kontact available as clients.
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what's your problem?
by anon on Friday 27/Jun/2003, @18:47
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Why do you want to deny others the right to use and enjoy Kontact? How is that your problem? Let the KDE folks develop the apps they want, who are you to decide what they do?
If you would have read the article anyway, you would have seen that the author was *already* using Evolution, but was excited at what Kontact could offer.
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Re: would it kill you to use Evolution
by mif on Saturday 28/Jun/2003, @08:54
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Evolution major downside is that it certainly isn't a "end-to-end" solution. It's certainly a good client, but will not ever be accepted to the commercial world because it doesn't come with a good server. Kontact and it's kollab subproject is a much more complete solution that actually has a chance to be accepted to the mainstream.
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Re: would it kill you to use Evolution
by lit on Saturday 28/Jun/2003, @09:02
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> I don't need a fancy KDE file-picker that abstracts the file system in a windows-like way (my least favorite part of KDE)
Indeed, this is basically the most hated parts of gtk happens to be it's archaic file selector. KDE's is much, much, much better. It helps me get things done in a much more productive manner.
> would it kill you to use Evolution
Using this logic, perhaps GNOME (and subsequent development of 90% of GNOME's apps) shouldn't have been created in the first place. The individual parts of kontact are mature and very well tested. kmail has been around since 1997. korganizer has been around since 1997. knotes has been around since 1998.
kparts is a wonderfully mature framework that makes it easy to wrap these things into one app. Why not provide existing kmail/korganizer/knotes users with more features, such as integration that kontact provides?
The fact is that neither GNOME nor KDE are going away anytime soon. Perhaps both desktops cater to different groups of users these days. Not sure. I loved GNOME 1.2 and 1.4, but I find GNOME 2.x downright horribly *annoying* to use. I didn't like KDE 2.x as much as KDE 3.x either.
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Re: would it kill you to use Evolution
by Nils Valentin on Tuesday 01/Jul/2003, @15:52
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Hi Max (and others ;-)
I think Evolution is
a) to heavy
b) doesnt have good import filters
c) reminds me to much of Outlook
d) mostly commercial
which made me think twice. The best I found was kmail. Plus it fully integrates into KDE. Make a "top" and compare the resources Evolution is requiring and kmail is using. Evolution didnt add any import filters during the last 2 years (not a single one !!). They just update the design and bugfixes. While at this time Evolution was grafically the most advanced, it didnt develop much further from my point of view. Kmail (as well as the whole KDE) was constantly improved and new features added. I think that definitely kmail (and KDE) is the choice to make.
f.e Which Desktop environment had first the feature to start a new X-window session from within an X-windows session ? ( the answer is KDE)
Why does RedHat 9 come with a installed konqueror on a gnome desktop ?
(its a KDE application) - because it rocks !!
If you are discussing that you dont need the PIM than dont use it - as simple as that ;-)
I believe KDE (including kmail) is the best Desktop Environment around for a normal desktop users.
The whole KDE project made a big step forward from KDE 3.1.
Nothing which I would be able to mention about the Gnome desktop that would be even close to this.
Thats my $0.02. You might want to flame me for this (its just my personal opinion).
Best regards
Nils Valentin
Tokyo/Japan
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Re: would it kill you to use Evolution
by Max Otterland on Saturday 11/Oct/2003, @19:57
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He he, I wrote this slightly as an agitator, and because I'd been using the rc2 of drake 9.1 where kde was a mess. Since then I've upgraded to the latest KDE from texstar and am using almost exclusively KDE apps INCLUDING Kroupware, which I love!. I do miss the html composition component in Evolution and the little cute weather/headline page, but Kroupware is simply more elegant and friendly.
Since my last response, I've also discovered IRC and use it with Kopete. I've found that the KDE folks are just the nicest about and super helpful! That's how I discovered Kroupware. I logged on the the #kmail channel and asked how I could get support for offline IMAP, and a friendly developer hooked me up.
Please forgive me! :P
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