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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by Coolvibe on Sunday 29/Jun/2003, @13:01

No way.

HTML and e-mail just don't mix. Kmail doesn't need a WYSIWYG editor at all. Mail is plain text, and doesn't need formatting.

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by fault on Sunday 29/Jun/2003, @15:20

> HTML and e-mail just don't mix.

Hrmm. A significant portion of the Windows/Mac/Webmail using-population (perhaps 95%+ of computer users) use HTML-based mail.

HTML mail has a stigma with geeks and advanced computer users. This doesn't mean email and HTML don't mix however.

(btw, I certainly do hate HTML mail, but this isn't a good enough reason to keep WSYIWYG editing out of kmail if anyone decided to do it..)

> Mail is plain text,

I think you're completely misunderstanding what the concept of MIME is.

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by Datschge on Sunday 29/Jun/2003, @16:16

MIME is basically a hack to allow non-ASCII text and data in a media which is limited to transferring ASCII text.

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by fault on Sunday 29/Jun/2003, @17:08

MIME is hardly a hack. It was created for email specfically (perhaps the "hackiness" of MIME comes when it's used in places other than mail) and is well documented. It has been a defacto standard for the last ten years-- a period of time where the internet has had explosive growth. MIME has indeed helped in this growth, as things like email would have been less flexible. ASCII-only email was only common place before MIME existed. Almost everyone who has used email has used the fruits of MIME, such as sending/receiving documents or images through attachments, or sending/receiving html mail.

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by Datschge on Monday 30/Jun/2003, @06:25

Emails as we still use them today were never intended to break the 7bit ASCII barrier. MIME as a rule set itself is nice and dandy, but using it as an excuse to blow up the size of the outdated email format whenever 8bit data occures is very cheap. A successor to the classic email format capable of containing 8bit data should have been introduced, the currently used solution is not good design, it *is* a hack.

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by Guillaume Laurent on Tuesday 01/Jul/2003, @05:43

> Mail is plain text, and doesn't need formatting.

Absolutely. We're much better off with all these immensely convenient and fully standardized conventions like prefixing lines with '>' and thus screwing the word wrapping, putting words between '*' or '_', and other state of the art techniques.

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by SadEagle on Tuesday 01/Jul/2003, @06:25

Well, IIRC, KMail has all sorts of fancy code to make sure the prefixing doesn't
mess up the line wrapping :-)

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by Guillaume Laurent on Tuesday 01/Jul/2003, @06:30

And this was obviously very interesting code to write, wasn't it ? Totally worth of all the time spent on it.

BTW, in my experience, it's still very easy to mess up worp wrapping in KMail.

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by SadEagle on Tuesday 01/Jul/2003, @06:54

Well, I don't know how much fun kmail people had to that, but I brought this up
exactly because I think this supports your point. Not sure that HTML e-mail makes
it any better; but it's clearly the case that plaintext doesn't cary enough semantic
info on quoting in nice form...

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Re: HTML WYSIWYG Editor
by Guillaume Laurent on Tuesday 01/Jul/2003, @08:16

I'd say that HTML kept within "reasonable" use is still better than what we use now, which is really, really pathetic, but we're so used to it we don't realize that anymore.

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