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  Savanna Says: Kneat Knoppix!
Savanna Says Posted by Navindra Umanee on Friday 04/Jul/2003, @08:13
from the gives-you-a-strawberry dept.
In the third article of what is turning into a regular column, Savanna Says: Kneat Knoppix! You should really read this if you had wanted to try or demo KDE before but you couldn't -- because you thought it required a full Linux or Unix installation.


Kneat Knoppix!

by Savanna

After my last article about Kontact, a lot of people were wondering: "Is Linux/GNU/KDE good for me?" -- regular users that is, coders don't seem to have to ask -- and then they wrote to me asking that very thing.

Surprise!

Well, I have two answers for you today:

  1. Yes.
  2. Try it out for yourself!

Now, let's clarify those positions.

Number 1: Yes! KDE is ready for regular users. At least, I think so. In fact, I am planning some exploratory articles on that very same subject in the very near future. Now, however, I just want to jot this little review down and get it on digital paper.

Number 2: Try it out for yourself! Great news! With Knoppix, you can do it and you can do it easily. This is what this article is about: Knoppix. It's a great thing and it is making waves all over the world. Let me give you a quick user's rundown:

When I started with Linux a while ago (or GNU/Linux), it was a little complicated to install. I'm using Debian Linux on this desktop and it is sort of a patchwork build of a system which was mostly maintained with some serious learning at times when I did something wrong, and some serious corrections at times from the good coders in #debian-kde (whom I have mentioned in previous articles). Now, I went with Linux knowing I would probably have to learn a little bit more about computers than I was used to. Remember: I'm a regular user.

Okay... you're with me, right? Regular user, Debian Linux install with KDE. Tinkering needed to learn some new things. Got it?

Okay.

Not anymore.

You see, the one thing that kept me back from telling all my friends and family that they could switch was that I wasn't sure that they wanted to do what I had to do: learn a little more about computers to make some things work and install. Now, however, they don't have to.

Enter Knoppix.

What is Knoppix? Well, Knoppix is, in a sense, one of the last links in the regular users puzzle. Knoppix is a CD on which you'll find a Debian Linux kernel and one of the latest KDE3 desktop systems. It's about 700 megs and fits exactly on one CD.

And it is awesome.

Why? Well, let me tell you something: When I tell people that if they want to try Linux, they can just install it and try it, that's a pretty hard sell. Most people hear "install" and their eyes sort of glaze over and they start to think "Why bother?" And remember the tinkering part? Well, tinkering happens at all phases with a distro that you don't buy targeting new users (like SuSE, Mandrake, etc...). The hardest part is telling people that they have to install to see what it is like. Even with an easy install that auto-boots into KDE, people don't want to have to install or tinker to try anything out first. But with Knoppix... you don't have to do that.

All you have to do is put it in your CD drive, boot up, and presto! you've got a Linux system -- and a beautiful KDE3 desktop -- running all from your CD drive. No install, no weird lines of code... try it out and you will see how beautiful KDE and Linux are, and you won't even have to get your hands dirty or look under the hood.

And you don't have to commit unless you are truly impressed and decide to switch.

This is the best part: you can download it free, burn it, and carry it around with you to show your friends, family, etc... it will boot on any PC and won't even touch their hard drive. Demo it anywhere. If they like it, give it to them -- you can install Knoppix from the CD to your hard drive if you want to switch, and spread the good word.

Isn't that fantastic?

Before Knoppix, you had to tell people to install things. Now you don't have to. Talk about a real revolution. People are talking about Knoppix handout drives to spread the word. People are carrying a few of the CD's in their bags or briefcases or even their purse to show others how great KDE and Linux are! Mass singing is breaking out and peace is befalling the earth as everyone joins hands and...

Well, that last part I made up but you get the idea. Knoppix really is that cool.

So, you're asking me "Okay... what's up with this? How easy is it to burn and all that?"

Well, you just go to their site: http://www.knoppix.net/ (This is the English site) and you read the FAQ -- which I found to be a little geeky but fairly general enough that some users might understand what they are talking about (something that they should work on to be a little simpler to understand, I think, but it is a nice start!).

From there, you find out where to download the 700 meg ISO CD image. Now... a few things with this:

  1. Most people don't know what an ISO is, but I believe that they explain it well enough.
  2. It's a 700 meg download so broadband is a must -- unless you don't mind waiting a week to get it.
  3. They do have CD's for sale which they can send you for the non-broadband or techie users out there who can't make heads or tail of their FAQ.
  4. They go into checking the ISO file after the download with the checksum file -- something which most users will sort of glaze over. I know I did originally and needed some help from my friendly IRC people in #debian-kde.
  5. They do explain how to burn the CD with Nero -- which is important. Most Window users get a PC with Nero or another kind of software and they seem to take the time to explain how to do this, even though they say that it is outside of the scope of the FAQ at large. This is important as many people do not know how to burn an ISO to be bootable etc...

After you burn, you're basically done. I did have to download it twice, however (bit of a pain). What happened is that the first image didn't download well or something so I had to download it again. Apparently that is what the Checksum file is for: to make sure that the file you downloaded is in working condition. To make a long story short: Getting it and burning it was a little on the techie side. Needs to be improved, but very good start overall.

Now for the good part.

Turn off your PC, leave the Knoppix CD in the CD tray, and boot up.

Okay, at this point you should know that Knoppix is new and still has some bugs in it. Don't worry! It won't touch your HD at all. I'm just talking about booting-up bugs. It kept dumping me in the middle of the boot up and giving me weird errors on the screen and it would freeze. Don't worry: just reboot. It'll work fine eventually. It took me 3 tries and it kept giving me errors every now and then, but finally, I was in the desktop!

There it was. Right on my Windows PC that I use for backups, I had a KDE desktop. And I didn't even boot off of the hard drives.

All the main programs are crammed in there beautifully, and the icon set is really pretty. The only thing I wasn't fond of was the background. It looked too "H4x0r" Matrix/techie for my tastes. If I could suggest something, I would suggest a little tamer background now for regular users.

How did it handle? It handled beautifully. I was using a Linux/KDE system from my CD drive.

Nice.

Any bad points? Not that I can think of at the top of my head. (Anyway, I'm trying to get people to try this because it really won't hurt, is fairly simple, and fun to use.)

Now, if only I had seen this a year ago. Of course, it wasn't really around back then, at least in that form.

So, what did I do next? I decided to keep it. I had some instructions on how to install after I had booted up. I typed in: Control-Alt-F1 and got into console mode, typed in "knx-hdinstall" and it guided me through a very easy to install process. I just chose which partitions I wanted to use (not very friendly as of yet but it'll get there), put in my IP numbers etc... and away we go.

Again, it was a little buggy so it failed two times before it got it on the third. Again, weird messages on the screen and froze up. What did I do? I just hit the reboot button and started over. A bit tedious but I can deal. That has happened to me with a Windows installation before so I wasn't that worried about it. And anyway, by this point, I was already well into the process of erasing the hard drive and rewriting over it, so it didn't concern me in the least.

Finally, it worked! It installed, booted, went directly into KDE3 and I suddenly have a fully functional Knoppix system on my backup machine and it looks great. I love it. I totally love it. In fact, I keep the CD in my purse and bring it around with me to show people. It's little geeky me, but it's great and people are wowed. This is Linux like they never knew existed. I'm dispelling the "Command Line Mode Only" picture with this one CD and I'm doing a great job of it.

Now you can too.

So try it! Give it a whirl. Either buy the CD (very cheap) or just download and burn it yourself. At worst, you blow a CD or two trying. But in no time flat you will have an awesome CD that is changing the world of computing.

Thank you team Knoppix. I give you a big thumbs up.

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Savanna
by Anonymous on Friday 04/Jul/2003, @10:47
Who is Savanna? I want to see a picture of her :-)...
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knoppix is great
by p0p on Friday 04/Jul/2003, @15:33
for showing off KDE/GNU/Linux... I hope promo.kde starts selling Knoppix CD's!

It's also a great way of installing debian.
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speaking of hot chick
by pat on Friday 04/Jul/2003, @15:35
there's a new moderator on the gentoo forum, it's a girl and she's a cutie.
u can get her pic there:
http://forums.gentoo.org/images/avatars/17882995803ee335db0bc5e.jpg

maybe we should make a website with pics of all the cuties in the world that like or use foss, how about a miss foss election? the winner could get a whole night with rms or linus lol
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KDE is not for everyone
by Dan on Friday 04/Jul/2003, @16:42
I don't use KDE, but I do try to keep up with the new features. I have installed Libranet on a few of my friends system. I showed them IceWM, as it was Default, KDE as it is more user based and GNOME. Out of those 3, none of my friens have chosen KDE, or even IceWM. I beleive that GNOME gives a better feel then what kde does. QT takes forever to load and it reminds me too much of windows.
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YEAH! YEAH
by Yemu on Saturday 05/Jul/2003, @00:35
Let's start another flame war!! :-)
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Knoppix is a great Debian installer
by Rich on Saturday 05/Jul/2003, @05:10
I've had nightmares getting Debian installed with the official ISOs, but the Knoppix hd install makes it a breeze (as long as you understand HD partitioning). Once installed its the usual apt-get stuff to get it updated and things are simple from then on.

Mind you, whether Debian is better than other distros is a more contentious issue - I'm keeping it alongside Mandrake and SuSE rather than replacing them - but it's certainly worth a try.
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The same with morphix
by Geert on Saturday 05/Jul/2003, @09:28
I had the same experience with Morphix, some kind of Knoppix relative. Downloading the KDE version (480 Mb) burning. in the cd, and a speedy working kde desktop with only openoffice missing to be fully functional. I didn't have any boot-up problems, nor bugs identified. I did not try to copy it on my harddisk though.

As I download with ISDN, and experienced problems burning full 700 mb discs, and knoppix updates nearly daily, which makes slow download difficult, I tried Morphix instead, with good results.
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Knoppix or Morhics
by UglyMike on Saturday 05/Jul/2003, @11:05
To show off to friends, maybe Morphics would be better. It's based on Knoppix, but is more modular... There is the base part and a choice of several 'modules': so-called main modules that'll give you KDE3.1,Gnome2.2 or, get this, 500 MB of opensource games with Q3A and UT2003 demos to boot. (using IceWM), and mini modules that one can burn on small CDs and/or use as resque CDs. It is 'cleaner' than Knoppix as Knoppix shoehorns as much Gnome and KDE and other stuff in as possible.
The site also contains lots of info to build your own modules (multimedia, programming, 3D,...)
Lat months Linux Format has Morhics on it's bootable DVD with all main and mini modules included!!! Grab 'em while they last!
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Boot problems
by Harald on Tuesday 08/Jul/2003, @04:11
I also had problems with a burned Knoppix, but discovered it was mainly
the CD and the CD drive in my Laptop that caused the problems.

For the bootup time I showed it once to my father (knoppix with KDE 2.2)
who has SuSE installed, to show him that it simply starts from CD.
Asked for comment when KDE was there, he said: "oh its faster than SuSE".
Which was surprising for me because I thought the compressed file system would be slower than HD.
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If you don't have Broadband
by chattnos on Tuesday 08/Jul/2003, @12:54
Try http://www.almostfreelinux.com who sells all knds of distros.
Including a few you may not have heard of.
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so sad.
by it doesn't matter on Tuesday 08/Jul/2003, @14:55
Great artical. Embarrassing "what's she look like!" responses. Unbelievable. I will return to the site for the articles. I will skip the comments section in the future. What a bunch of CREEPY sad responses.
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Bad article, worse comments.
by Anon on Tuesday 08/Jul/2003, @17:41
When reading the article, I was not at all impressed with the quality of writing, and upon getting to the comments, I became even more annoyed. As soon as a bunch of geeks see that a girl is interacting with them at all, they immediatley herald it as the greatest thing to ever happen and in the same instant completley shut down any reasoning they have.

This article is very badly written: she is repetitive, doesn't offer nearly the amount of substance one would expect from such a long article, and makes her self out to not understand what's going on. "Apparently that is what the Checksum file is for": she could have at least researched checksumming and given a quick overview of what it actually does; after all, she is complaining that the FAQ glosses over the issue.

Folks, get the blood back to the correct hemisphere of the body, and start using your brain. After reading the 85 million comments from desperate, anti-social geeks who wanted nothing more than to see a picture of the author, I went and quickly read her other articles, and much to my non-surprise, they're quite similar.

Don't applaud someone simply because they're of the of opposite sex, even in such a female-challenged community. When you do, you immediatley label yourself as nothing more the stero-typical (geek|nerd|dweeb).

And stop letting "Savanna" write articles, it's bringing down the quality of the entire site!
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knoppix 3.3
by somekool on Tuesday 08/Jul/2003, @22:35
by the way.....

anyone know when knoppix 3.3 should be release ?
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re: Bad article, worse comments
by stretch on Wednesday 09/Jul/2003, @20:18
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Knoppix is great and it's good to see a favorable review by a non-technical type. It would have been better if it had included such simple things as the version used, the hardware installed on, and the type of errors encountered. I have booted and installed older versions with few if any errors. I'm currently doing a test install of 3.2 on some old hardware - the bootup was without incident and the only install errors so far are a whole bunch of cp errors in /usr/share/doc, which probably means these files were stripped from the CD while leaving the directory structure intact.

As far as Debian is concerned, I was one of the very early users and I have revisited it several times since. It is a good, stable distribution and my hat is off to all of the faithful developers that create it. However, it is not cutting edge and it still needs a product such as Knoppix to shield the user from the horendous install / update procedure.
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Knoppix is finished? Erm ...
by Kosmos on Monday 13/Oct/2003, @15:56
I got here late. I guess. I clicked on the link:

http://www.knoppix.com/

And got some kinda warning:

Closed because of "Software-Patents"
In the next few days, the European Parliament will decide about the legalisation and adoption of so-called "software patents" in Europe, which are already used by large companies in other countries to put competitors out of business. This can lead to the termination of many software projects such as KNOPPIX, at least within Europe, because the holders of the over 30,000 already granted "software patents" (currently without a legal foundation) can claim exclusive rights and collect license fees for trivial things like "progress bars", "mouseclicks on online order forms", "scrolling within a window" and similar. That way, software developers will have to pay the "software-patentholders" for using these features, even in their own, completely self-developed applications, which can completely stall the development of innovative software for small and medium companies. Apart from this, the expense for patent inquiries and legal assistence is high, for even trying to find out if the self-developed software is possibly violating "software-patents", if you want to continue to market your software. Contrary to real patents, "software-patents" are, in the current draft, monopolization of business ideas and methods, even without any tangible technical implementation.

More about the current major problem at http://swpat.ffii.org/index.en.html

Anyone can clarify what exactly does this mean? End of Knoppix? I thought this was protected under GNU or GPL. *shrugs*
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