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Re: Thanks :)
by NewMandrakeUser on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @20:29
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| I tried it today. To me, GNOME is a few years behind KDE. Literally. I am an ex GNOME user, but at some point (KDE 2.* series) the difference in favour of KDE became too big and switched. Anyways, nice trolling. |
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Re: Thanks :)
by Mario on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @21:00
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The two biggest, most popular and coolest Linux DE's release new versions after months of preparation on the same day! How could I not post about it!
I believe competition is healthy and that both projects can learna lot from each other, GNOME has some clear advantages to KDE in usability, acessibility and documentation, I wanted KDE contributors to know so that they could check it out and maybe help KDE catch up.
Overall, I think KDE is better than GNOME, and it is the desktop I use, but that does not mean I don't like GNOME or have some kind of rule that I can only say Pro KDE stuff.
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Re: Thanks :)
by ac on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @21:20
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Did you post and advertize KDE on the GNOME site?
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Re: Thanks :)
by fault on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @21:54
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He wasn't advertising GNOME at all. Pointing out that usability and accessibility is better in GNOME wasn't bad either. Might be a little offtopic, but not completely unexpected on this site. If you think that it is unexpected, you're a little bit naive :-)!
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Re: Thanks :)
by ac on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @22:26
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Uh-huh. And does he point out all that is better in KDE on the GNOME site, complete with URLs to KDE.org?
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Re: Thanks :)
by fault on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @22:45
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Was a brand new stable release of KDE just released? No.. thank you very much.
Quit your hating, nothing wrong with pointing out good things in other environments.
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Re: Thanks :)
by Mario on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @23:03
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Yes, I did post KDE "advetisements" on gnomedesktop.org sometimes, for example
"Their new panel, movement of special menu applets, mini calendar for clock, SVG, post it notes desktop applet, have been in KDE for a while now. "
Not, quite as often, but only because I care about KDE more and I am more interested that people know it's weak spots, the first step to resolving a problem than if GNOME knows how KDE is better in this and this. I want KDE to continue being the #1 linux desktop.
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Re: Thanks :)
by ac on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @23:06
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Ok good. :)
And I wasn't hating anyone despite fault's lies and slander!
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Slander?
by Henry on Thursday 11/Sep/2003, @21:20
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Slander? That's non-sense.
In writing it's called libel.
Okay, I stole that from Spider-man.
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Re: Thanks :)
by anon on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @21:52
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Are you sure GNOME has better documentation than KDE? There are a number of apps in GNOME that have extremely outdated documentation.. even Nautilus in 2.4rc1 does.
Sadly, docs in KDE are also very outdated. Both Doc projects are severely understaffed and is something non-developers can work on! :)
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Re: Thanks :)
by Anonymous on Wednesday 10/Sep/2003, @22:02
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GNOME's User's Guide, Admin Guide and Accessibility Guide are very professional.
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Re: Thanks :)
by John Hughes on Thursday 11/Sep/2003, @16:47
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That's because they were written by Sun's proffessionally trained and (assumingly) well payed documentation writers.
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KDE's usability the best
by Olof on Friday 12/Sep/2003, @00:52
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The usability in KDE is _at least_ as good as in Gnome. You just have to make the sufficient settings. In this way, KDE is more flexible, has more options, and with the correct settings _will_ become more usable than Gnome.
This is a fact because usability can only be measured in a given work context, thus the possibility to adopt to that context is essential. Adopting is possible when flexibility is high. Simply removing features decreases flexibility and does not help increase usability.
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Re: KDE's usability the best
by Olof on Friday 12/Sep/2003, @00:56
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I'll reply to myself here. Just to add an important point.
Usability _does not_ come right out of the box. It doesn't matter if big software companies wants us to believe so. It just doesn't work that way.
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Re: KDE's usability the best
by Jeff Johnson on Friday 12/Sep/2003, @05:10
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That depends on the user. Many users do not even try to change the default configuration. For them easy-to-use and simple defaults are most important point, and they are also Gnome's main target group.
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Re: KDE's usability the best
by Alex on Friday 12/Sep/2003, @06:01
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What is the "default configuration"?
Is it what the gnome team has in their packages? No.
Is it what a distribution includes? No.
Is it what comes installed, set and configured as part of a product and/or system? Yes.
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Re: KDE's usability the best
by Jeff Johnson on Friday 12/Sep/2003, @13:37
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Obviously depends on where you get your system from. But yes, for home users and all people who try out KDE for the first time, either the KDE or the distributions defaults are essential for their first impression of KDE. And if they don't bother to reconfigure, also for their last.
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Re: KDE's usability the best
by Olof on Saturday 13/Sep/2003, @00:20
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> either the KDE or the distributions defaults are essential
You assume that the one who sets up a system at a workplace actually uses the defaults that these groups have "chosen". For home desktop users this will only be true if they buy a distribution separately and installs it. I argue, that in other cases, the ability to change (=flexibility) will decide how near you can come to the optimal usability for a user.
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