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Ok now I read everything
by mario on Monday 15/Sep/2003, @15:32
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I read the preview page and SVG is awesome, I can't believe it has so many uses , even animations! WoW! That is great news!
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by anon on Monday 15/Sep/2003, @19:24
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> But, what do you think about spatial uis like the one in GNOME 2.6?
It's been in there in Konqueror since KDE 2.0, just not by default (and will never be.. usability of spatial interfaces is better than browser interfaces, but usability of spatial interfaces for people who are used to browser interfaces (99% of computer users), is not good)
So, basically, do you want to make your interface easy for new computer users or classic MacOS or BeOS users (GNOME), or for existing Windows/MacOSX/KDE/GNOME users (KDE)
Not sure which!
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by Sleepless on Monday 15/Sep/2003, @22:55
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So how do you enable it in konqueror?
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by Dawnrider on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @07:41
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Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Open Directories in separate windows
And then right click on a toolbar, Toolbars submenu and uncheck them all.
Voila.
It's not a single option thing, but it is very quick ( < 1 minute).
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by Sleepless on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @09:29
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Damn, if that's it, thanks but no thanks :)
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by MaX on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @10:19
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No, thats not all. Please read the artikel. To disable the toobar and open directories in new windows works in Nautilus too.
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that is NOT all it is
by dude on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @11:00
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its MUCH more involved and much better than that hack, which nautilus has had since 1.0 too. read the article before you spout off please.
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by Rayiner Hashem on Monday 15/Sep/2003, @20:27
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Eh. I'm not impressed. Its the GNOME bowing down to the Apple guys again... There is a good post on the gnomedesktop thread about this article. He points out that these days computers have become so pervasive that people have adopted to navigation methods that are most efficient on a computer, rather than what maps well to the real world. Thus, the spatial metaphor is less important today.
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by anon on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @06:15
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Yes, especially since the Apple itself somewhat abandoned spatial interfaces in OSX.
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by Dawnrider on Monday 15/Sep/2003, @23:31
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Question... Neither the article nor the list discussion makes it obvious what we are talking about... Is this, essentially an argument about "Open in a new window"?
If so, I'm a bit underwhelmed. As far as I can see, most users can use either method quite happily, and really don't care very much.
Best usability improvements of the last five years for file management are: image thumbnailing and previews, tabbed file management in Konqy.
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by Jeff Johnson on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @01:24
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Yes, the short story is that every directory/folder is opened in a new window, and that these windows represent the folder. In other words, they do not have navigation buttons(forward/back) or a location bar, because the directory of the window is fixed.
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by Dawnrider on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @05:36
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To be honest, from having used this method of file management under countless older operating systems, then Windows 95, every time I installed win 98 I would just take five minutes to tweak it to do the same thing. Tweaking KDE to do the same is indeed trivial. Just get it to open new windows and remove the toolbars.
Then one day I got tired of doing the changes when I reinstalled each machine at work and left it. Since then, I've been fine with things in a browsing method.
Really, it makes no difference in the way I work, and my range of users, from people who know almost nothing about computers to the web/e-mail/wordprocessing users to the presentation/photoshop/dreamweaver lot have all been fine. As far as I can see, the users really don't care; in fact, they don't even seem to have noticed.
The only issues I have with browser navigation, is that Windows makes it very hard to open a folder in a new window when you need to, so that you can copy using DnD. Konqy doesn't have that problem, and the tabbed FM is great :)
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by MaX on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @10:22
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Windows has not implementet it, please test it on MacOS 9 or older!
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Re: This is unrelated (sorry0
by Jeff Johnson on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @01:22
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It's funny that all these articles/posts all start with something like "Personally I think that OO UIs suck, but as the usability guys say that they are logical and easy to use...".
P.S.: Knowing the 'a new window for each directory' principle from Windows, I agree that it sucks.
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aparently you've never used it
by dude on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @11:02
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because windows, gnome or kde have NEVER had a spatial GUI. dont judge it before you see it, lest you look like a troll.
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Re: aparently you've never used it
by fault on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @12:05
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Not true; The classic MacOS finder was quite spatial. It went well with Apple's "pretend your computer is a desk" mantra.
The OSX finder is not so-spatial for very good reasons.
1. People are used to non-spatial interfaces. Because of hrrm... Microsoft, NeXT, etc...
2. Spatial interfaces tend to clog the whole screen full of windows. This was why, for example, why Netscape didn't originally open up a new window for every page opened and why it had back/forward navigation buttons. Microsoft and others found that this approach worked equally well for local files.
As others have pointed, out, it's already possible to have a psuedo-spatial Konqueror. Just turn all of your toolbars off and set things to open in new windows.
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Re: aparently you've never used it
by mario on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @15:00
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I defintely wouldn't wat mozilla to have a web browser with a spacial interface, damn taht would be a pain, I think it sucks too, but I guess I need to try a real implementation first.
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Sue Kparts?
by Sandy C. Otmus on Tuesday 16/Sep/2003, @19:50
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Who would want to sue KParts? I mean, really.
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Mario, a GNOME fan
by Paulo Junqueira on Wednesday 17/Sep/2003, @09:12
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Did you post some comments in GNOME sites too? In various of the Brazillian and WORLD sites about KDE I can see you posting notes about GNOME. I like GNOME too but, what´s your intension?
"I invite the KDE users to try GNOME..."
"This GNOME feature is cool..."
Hey man, please continue to promote GNOME but try to have a bit of ethic...
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i never posted anything ona brazilian site
by mario on Wednesday 17/Sep/2003, @18:03
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I'm a fan fo both desktops and I want KDE to improve and I list notable GNOME features which I would like in KDE on the dot sometimes, so what.
I refer you to this thread which explains everything to a person just like you.
http://dot.kde.org/1063222993/1063247522/
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