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Quanta and W3C
by Shift on Sunday 30/Nov/2003, @16:43
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For the Quanta team :
Can you please remove w3c html4 logo on the quanta homepage or correct the page ?
It is not serious to keep the logo and that the website doesn't validate to w3c standards : http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fquanta.sourceforge.net%2F
Much better, you can use XHTML and CSS and remove all the tables used only for design.
Thanks,
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Jilks on Sunday 30/Nov/2003, @22:50
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Woo! You tell 'em! Yay!
I worked up something a while ago for the site, but Eric didn't accept it. :-(
http://openschooling.org/~jilks/quanta_Web/index.php (Some stuff is broken 'cause I've been playing with CSS, PHP, and bunches of other stuff, but you get the idea.) That site will generate several versions of itself depending on what it -thinks- the browser can handle (it's a great thinker, too). (HTML or XHTML (Strict, and all valid), no, low, or high color graphics, and so on.) Design-wise, it's pretty pimp. Style-wise, it's not so great. All it takes to change it is a little CSS, though. :-)
I still need to figure out a way to show that the XHTML is valid. Viewing in Mozilla tells you it is, but W3C's validator only gets HTML. I'll probably need to force it with a flag or something...
Enjoy!
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Jilks on Sunday 30/Nov/2003, @22:54
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Oh, I forgot to mention that some pages don't work due to me not creating them. Also, those pages (that work) should do pretty well accessibility-wise. ;-)
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Eric Laffoon on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @14:08
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Lucky me! Heckled by my own team member. I can't pick on Chris too much because he's done a lot for Quanta... so this is said with kindness...
For the record Chris, as you're posting this publicly without emailing me first. I never rejected what you sent in. I just haven't had time to look at integrating it. I've been too busy. I should also note you volunteered your work without first discussing various criteria and concerns with me, thus creating a need for major changes to use your work. It completely breaks the modular layout I use with PHP. Had you discussed it with me then I'd have given you access to my CVS and discussed objectives. Then we would actually function as a team. Also, the original site was largely done by Alex who was very HTML 3.2 oriented and it was an absolute mess. I cleaned and processed the site and validated it but as the pages are assembled in PHP it seems some of his code has slipped back in. I have a lot of experience in PHP and web development so when I go to implement changes I like to make sure that they don't create problems for me if I want to maintain it.
I'm not trying to be obnoxious. They validated when I tested it, even if they don't now. I found several things in there that are just ugly too that were done before I decided I needed to exclude sloppy coders. It's on my do list but I honestly have so much to do I really need 2-3 of me for my business and another 2-3 of me for KDE/Quanta. So if it really bugs you send a patch.
Before the end of the year I plan to completely revise the site and add online resource search/download/submit directly from within Quanta. I had planned on asking Chris if he'd like to help with this. In the mean time I have had to make public appeals to get the money to pay Andras as recently as last month and now I need to get my business squared away with major revisions on my business site and a big ebay launch so I can stop bleeding money and begging for help and start enjoying discretionary income. I don't even have cable TV because I can't spare the money for it or the time to watch it. I'll get to it this month and that's going to have to be good enough.
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Jilks on Tuesday 02/Dec/2003, @10:39
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> Heckled by my own team member.
Oh, don't worry about that. I do everyone. :-) Sometimes I even email people randomly that use XHTML + CSS just to say, "Hey, nice to see more and more people using XHTML + CSS! Nice work!"
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Richard Moore on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @04:21
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Personally I've found using CSS for positioning to be a pain in the neck (specifically relative positioning). I gave up on it in the end as one those 'nice-in-theory' things that's just not worth hassle in practice.
Rich.
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Eric Laffoon on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @04:42
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LOL
Thanks Rich. Now I feel better. I support the W3C and their efforts, but I can write W3C complaint HTML that won't render on any browser or is managed very differently from one to another. While people suggest non tabled layouts they never seem to send a patch. A look around the web shows almost nobody moving away from tables yet.
Its very easy to repeat an idea but much harder to put ideas in action and do something.
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Shift on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @09:31
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It is possible and it is more clear than tables :
http://shift.free.fr/
http://shift.freezope.org/
I will never suggest to use CSS+XHTML if I haven't done it yet on my website ;)
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Jilks on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @21:11
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Whoa! Konq Rellinks is great! This should be in Konqueror! (Or is it and I'm blind?) This would be a great usability enhancement!
BTW, nice sites. ;-)
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Shift on Tuesday 02/Dec/2003, @02:12
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It is not in Konqueror (yet?) because I haven't got much time to work on it and I have lot's of small bugs because it is my first C++ experience.
If somebody want to help me it will be great !!
Just mail me :)
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Request for Konqueror developers
by No Flash Please on Thursday 04/Dec/2003, @07:10
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If you are a Konqueror developer, I have a request.
I tried submitting this to the bug list (Mozilla now that I think about it, maybe not Konqueror), but I'm too dumb to figure out the complicated bug submission site (must be Mozilla).
Can someone PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE set up the pop up screen that asks if you want to download/install flash so there is a 3rd choice, No, AND DON'T ASK AGAIN, instead of just Download/Cancel or Yes/Cancel or whatever it is now?
If I were a programmer, this would be my first patch. But I'm not...so I'm asking here. Maybe you can submit it as a bug/feature request for me if you aren't interested in doing it yourself.
Thank you VERY much in advance for the consideration.
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by AC on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @05:49
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That's prolly because you tried writing it by hand. Complex layouts without a WYSIWYG tool are certainly not a good idea.
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Richard Moore on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @05:59
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That may be true, but I don't know any tools that allow you to use relative positioning effectively (including dreamweaver), and if you use absolute positioning your page looks shit as soon as someone resizes it or changes the font size. So, if we can't do it by hand and there are no tools we're back at the conclusion that CSS relative positioning is not worth the trouble.
Rich.
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Re: Quanta and W3C
by Jilks on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @07:47
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Oh! absolute positioning is really easy and effective! The trick is to ensure your divs (or whatever) are the correct size and to use percentages to position them. Any sized browser window and any resolution will all look very much the same. That allows you do put the main content at the top of the source and everything else at the bottom, which has the effect of making it -seem- like the page loads faster.
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