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Re: More stars but still no telescope...
by Eric Laffoon on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @13:21
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> Thanks for the good work once again !
Thank you. That's always nice to read.
> However in my opinion the major problem when working with quanta is not bleeding edge stuff like VPL. It's fun to see how these new features are implemented. But we quit using quanta because of one thing:
> Missing support of debugging facilities.
Don't blame us. The existing support was developed by a Russian developer who was later sponsored to develop for a commercial editing package. The free package they support is consistently behind the current releases, though I was cheerfully informed I could buy the rights to distribute the newest version. That was comforting. Meanwhile PHP 3 had built in debugging support and they dropped it for PHP 4. There also hasn't been much in the way of debuggers available for PHP 4 which is why Linus McCabe started Gubed. Integrating support became an issue along with continuing development. Mathieu Kooiman suggested we look at Xdebug, which I was unaware of. Xdebug provides profiling as an extra benefit and both have their own advantages. Mathieu began a debugger agnostic debug interface for Quanta and we discussed the deep integration. Meanwhile Linus got involved with it. Had they both not been really busy like the rest of us it might have shipped with the initial BE release. I don't want to give a date, but I hope we have it available before you know it. These options combined will give you extensive features and the ability to debug even on sites with limited privileges.
Very soon Quanta will have the ability to easily add a debugger by configuring it's specific data to couple with our debug interface. This will allow for more than just PHP but for extending other scripting languages with debugging.
> Or has anyone meanwhile succeeded in getting that php debug stuff in quanta to work? Whithout useable support of a debugger quanta is a nice thing, good look and feel, but it's not suitable for real programming tasks.
So why did the PHP team drop support for debugging in PHP 4 and why are there so few debuggers out there? We just haven't gotten to our extensive list including some custom form debugging tools too. As far as we're concerned we're ready to drop support for that debugger as it has required rebuilding PHP and it needs ongoing support from people who are looking to charge us money and could easily view Quanta as competition to their product.
> Once again: thanks for quanta, a good peace of work.
Hang in there. It just takes time. We only have maybe half a dozen guys actively coding any given time. |
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