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Well
by OI on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @12:48
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There must be people who really do not want KDE to succeed, for various reasons.
Everybody knows to be nice when they get something for free.
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Wow
by Eric Laffoon on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @12:54
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I was surprised we are now in KDE traffic. Now I will have to be nice on the Quanta developer list. Darn. ;-)
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I did not find the first message offensive
by Bleakcabal on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @13:44
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I did not find the first kmail message offensive and I was surprised by Ingo's reply. Sure that Simon guy made a mistake but I did not think his message was really critical, misguided yes, but not critical. The poster did not say Outlook was better than Kmail.
Ok Simon should not have posted this message on the mailing list and I am pretty sure that Ingo is pretty tired of having tons of poeple bugging him with such and such features. Ingo had every right to reply in a "freezingly polite way" has the author puts it....
but calling that person a "fuckhead" ?
That was a bit harsh in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong I fully support the dedication of the KDE team and I am very thankful for KDE, but maybe Ingo was a bit cranky when he wrote that email.
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by OI on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @13:46
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I think you mixed the persons involved...
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apps.kde.com????
by a.c. on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @14:03
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What has happened to appsy? Or should I not ask?
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Wiki Link
by Datschge on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @14:58
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http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=Adding+KDevelop+Projects+to+the+KDE+CVS+Repository is now called http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=How+To+Use+KDevelop+with+KDE+CVS *shrugs*
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Thanks, Peter and Henrique
by Haakon Nilsen on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @15:37
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Thanks for an excellent and very interesting KDE Traffic. It's the perfect complement to the CVS Digest!
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You will ALWAYS have enemies!
by Mario on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @17:09
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"When will KMail come with native HTML writing support? I'd really love to be able to write the same kind of emails in KMail that I do with Outlook for Windows."
changed to->
"Hey Fuckhead,
How long has this been the most requested feature? Get off your ass and get it done. And please refrain from sending ME your trifling criticisms."
This Simon person never intended his first e-mail as a question, rather as a criticism of KDE and tried to make KDE's PIM facilities seem behind the times.
He not only posted it in the wrong place, instead of bugs.kde.org of which this is obviously the most requested feature for Kmail, but he also knew the answer himself. He knew that this was the most requested feature, so he must of looked at the bug report, and from the responses to the bug report it is clear that the earliest it will make it in KDE is 3.3. If the bug report wasn't enough he could look at the KDE 3.2 and 3.3 feature plan to get his question answered.
The only point of his message was to demoralize developers, discourage work on KDE's PIM in general and just outright insult the KDE community of developers.
He not only used intense profanity but threw out all kinds of insults as if Ingo worked for him or had any obligation whatsoever to him.
From this behaviour I can only come to two conclusions:
A. He was pretending to want KDE to become better but his true intentions were to destroy it. After all you should always keep your enemies closest. Perhaps he is hired by Microsoft.
B. He is socially inept and was on heavy drugs.
I greately appreciate the work done by KDE developers and their committment to the community. This is why every time there is a new KDE release I will donate at least $25 but I think if I were to buy something comparable to it I would have to pay at least $50.
EVERYONE who uses KDE should donate as much as they can afford or think it will cost in the commercial world. KDE developers give you KDE for free, but THAT DOES NOT MEAN DEVELOPING IT IS FREE!!! Think of open source as the first place where you are trusted enough to pick the right price for something.
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3.2 beta 2 ?
by MandrakeUser on Monday 01/Dec/2003, @19:21
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Hey folks
any news on the beta-2 release ? Coming anytime soon ?
Thanks !
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What a jerk!
by Joergen Ramskov on Tuesday 02/Dec/2003, @00:47
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That's all...
Thanks for all the hard work KDE devs!
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Ingo was rude and deserved that reply.
by Anonymous on Tuesday 02/Dec/2003, @01:07
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I really think that Ingo's comment about "such annoying messages" is what set that user of to send such a rude reply. However, that does not mean that Ingo deserved to be called a fuckhead. I kinda feel that Ingo was the first one to be rude in that exchange. He could have simply said that feature requests are to be directed toward bugs.kde.org and left it at that. Perhaps if he tries to watch comments like this in the future such posts could be avoided in the future. Still, though, Ingo does not deserve to be called a fuckhead.
Keep up the good work. I may be silent on lists but I show my appriciation every day by the fact that when my computer is on, I have kmail running.
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They were both at fault
by Stephen Douglas on Tuesday 02/Dec/2003, @01:25
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To be honest, Ingos first response was hardly perfect. If you want people to go to b.k.o. to file bugs, then a polite reply telling the user that would have been sufficient (yes, it later transpired that the user knew about b.k.o.)
Granted, the users reply was out of order and I am not trying to defend that. But his original post wasn't that bad.
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remember
by Superstoned on Tuesday 02/Dec/2003, @04:34
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internet isnt real life... Expressing yourself in mails/fora etc isnt like in real life. I've seen alot of flamewars (who hasn't?) and they all come down on one thing: misunderstanding emotions.
Emotions can't be expressed very well digitally. Most of the time, ppl overreact. Emotional reactions seem stronger if read - so if an reaction is written a little irritated, ppl percieve it to be very rude. I think thats the most important problem online communication does face. I'm thinkin' bout doing an investigation on this topic (I study psychology), to measure to what extend emotions seem to be 'enlarged' by 'digitalizing' them...
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Bad Grammar
by NOKA on Tuesday 02/Dec/2003, @07:04
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Dear Peter.
I don't want to offend you, but your use of "i" instead of capital I
when refering to yourself is very disturbing (at least to me) and it
is damaging the reading flow. I would be very grateful if from now on
you will try to avoid this over-common language pitfall.
Thank you.
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Developers vs. Users
by James Richard Tyrer on Wednesday 03/Dec/2003, @20:14
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Users do not demand anything, they make feature requests. Feature requests should be taken as suggestions.
> "Dear Jim, you are not in the position to demand anything from us. ... "
Developers should not say things like this. It is by definition arrogance. The reason is that it is presumptuous. Assuming a "demand" is a presumption.
Developers should be aware of the fact that the various statements to the effect that this is free and you can (therefore) take it or leave it are not appreciated by users. I realize that developers do not understand why this irritates users, but it is the simple truth that it does.
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JRT
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Replacing unthemed icons with CrystalSVG
by James Richard Tyrer on Wednesday 03/Dec/2003, @20:40
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> I'd like to propose replacing some of the existing icons with Rohit's
> versions, ... .
> David Faure was quick to agree ...
And (didn't seem to make the Traffic) James Richard Tyrer strongly dissented.
Note that the point here is: *replacing*. Why do we have to _replace_ them? Can't we allow the user to choose? Is this starting to sound like GNOME? :-)
This is a usability issue. These new icons are harder to visualize than the traditional unthemed ones.
If we need to handicap our office suite (and other applications) perhaps we can find a way to shoot ourselves in the other foot as well. :-)
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JRT
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