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Re: SVG?
by Ian Reinhart Geiser on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @09:14
The problem is no-one uses SVG... ive never seen it in the wild.

The only place ive ever seen SVG, we converted it to png, before display. While cute, i think SVG will take years to catch on.

Just my 2 agrivated cents as someone who wants an open vector format on the web.

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Re: SVG?
by Peter Rockai on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @09:54
I once heard a legend about svg->swf convertor... Maybe working on karbon base (adding animation and things) and using the convertor you could get something done. Not that i have time or skill to work in this area (now, i don't even know what that legend said exactly -- maybe it was some pricey, commercial, proprietary and whatsnot piece of code... google would surely help -- but i have no time - aieeee, i should have been somewhere else already).
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They will use it ...
by More-OSX_KDE_Interpollination on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @13:37
GIF was supposed to make PNG irrelevant and that didn't work.
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  • Re: They will use it ...
    by Leendert Meyer on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @15:25
    Huh? I thought it's the other way around.

    See http://www.w3.org/Graphics/PNG/.

    Quote: 'PNG provides a patent-free replacement for GIF'...
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  • Re: They will use it ...
    by Ian Reinhart Geiser on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @16:35
    and how long was it until IE supported PNG? even today its PNG support isn't so hot.
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    • Re: They will use it ...
      by theorz on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @19:40
      But it is good enough for most things. As long as you are not using greater than 1 bit transparencies pretty much every browser out there will render them just fine. Browser compatibility is not the problem here, people's habbits are.

      Take the logo at the top of this site for example. It is a 9.2k gif. A simple lossless conversion to png yeilds a size of 7.9k. That is a 14% savings in size. Things like that can add up quickly on your bandwidth bill.

      For a site like amazon the savings would be huge. But most people just think of png as a patent problem free version of gif. I think someone could make a pretty penny selling their services to these websites. Convert some key images to png, charge them 10% of their savings for your fee.
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Re: SVG?
by Maik on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @15:17
I'm currently working on a consulting project where SVG files are used as templates for printing stuff (all Java, using Apache's Batik (http://jakarta.apache.org/batik/) with the real data being inserted on the fly. Designers can use Adobe Illustrator (which is convenient for them) and our code can parse the templates quite easily (as SVG is XML based) and just manipulate the DOM tree.
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  • Re: SVG?
    by Ian Reinhart Geiser on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @16:34
    yes? and? so? what?

    thats neat, its a great backend, just like EPS, or some of the other formats. the fact of the matter that you cannot just open it in IE, makes it pretty much a moot point. There are a fair number of neat tools out there, and SVG might be one of them, but until MS thinks its cool we are stuck... at least until Nutscrape, Opera and Konqi all take back more than 50% of the browser market... and even then... we still dont have good plugins for those.
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    • Re: SVG?
      by Datschge on Tuesday 16/Dec/2003, @17:15
      IE can't open PDF either, in both cases Adobe offers respective plugins, and IE can't do Flash, nevertheless it's called a widespread technology.

      Anyway I think we shouldn't care about IE, we should rather look at what new technology can offer KDE. Regarding SVG I think it should be used by default for visualizing stuff within KDE, eg. in help tutorials and the likes.
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Re: SVG?
by Ingo Klöcker on Wednesday 17/Dec/2003, @00:19
Project Aon, a project which aims at bringing the roleplaying gamebooks from the Lone Wolf series online, uses SVG to display the graph of the numbered sections of the gamebooks. (Note: This will of course spoil the fun when you haven't played the books yet.) The sections are linked to the corresponding sections in the gamebook.

http://www.projectaon.org/quick/

Not all books have been SVG'ed yet. To view one of the graphs simply select a book, e.g. The Darke Crusade, and then select Graph in the second selection box.
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