• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by André Somers on Saturday 20/Dec/2003, @23:42

  Errr... I may have missed something, but AFAIK, SuSE didn't dump KDE at all.

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by Jupp on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @13:23

  Why should they? Isnt KDe their default desktop? But Suse's poor Gnome support will probably improve.

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by aergern on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @00:27

  Just because Novell bought SUSE doesn't mean they are going to fire the KDE developers they have on staff and go full blown with XD. So never ass*u*me anything.

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by Waldo Bastian on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @05:43

  *check* Nope, still working there ;-)

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by jmk on Thursday 25/Dec/2003, @08:32

  Waldo, Is there anything that you could say to clarify the SuSE-desktop issue? Confusion of SuSEs track seems to be huge at the moment. IMHO SuSE is a great distro - but you should remember that SuSEs greatness on the desktop (mass market) is mostly thanks to the KDE project. Please don't waste one of your biggest strengths..

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by Jack on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @13:14

  Well, this news was spread by Ximian bought earlier for less by Novell. I think the market decides and Suse has to listen to the market.

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by anonymous on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @02:22

  There are many trolls embedded in your message but for those who truly don't know Kapture and KDebConf are part of the results of this project: http://desktop.kdenews.org/strategy.html

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by Tom on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @02:54

  Indeed they are welcome tools, especially given that Synaptic, the only GUI for APT at present that's any good, has a lot of usability issues that make it quite a pain to work with. KPackage, KPortage, Kapture, Konstruct... that's most distributions worked out :)

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by Richard on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @03:13

  But why is it in kdedebian. As we all know (I assume), it is available for rpm based systems as well. Does kapture take rpm in account.

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by Debian User on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @08:57

  Hi, let me just briefly express how I feel that the goals of Debian and KDE are the best match out there. Back in the old days, there were quarrels, but both KDE and Debian matured and have come to share a very large part of their goals. I am totally setup by people attempting to hijack Debian efforts and tell people what to work on or not. Basing their Linux variant (they made it their, not ours) on Debian, but at the same time promoting limitation of the user seems pointless. There is no way that Debian Developers (as we know them) will ever accept anything into Debian that limits the choice of KDE, MySQL and other significant Free Software. It's a shame that one of the writers of the social contract believes he can influence Debian in any such way. The good thing is that whatever they make, anybody can come and take Debian and KDE and release something the users actually want. Yours, Kay

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by Eike Hein on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @08:58

  Well said.

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• Re: Kapture and KDebConf.. by Jack on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @13:22

  Well, in fact one of the reasons why it's easier to sell Linux to corporate desktops in Europe than in the States may be due to the fact that KDE is the default desktop environment. KDE already has a desktop market that grows rapidly, esp. since the Munich decision. But a Gnome desktop has backing from some large us corporations and RedHat, it still suffers under the bankrupty of Eazel. KDe still needs some usability improvements and better OO integration but I believe it is a mature uptodate desktop. 3.1 was a breaktrough on the desktop market

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Richard on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @04:33

  kdebian of course

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by uga on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @07:03

  I thought this platform would support the (still important) GTK toolkit given the plan that was offered for User Linux. Errr... uhmmm... kdebian sounds quite exclusive? =)

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Haakon Nilsen on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @07:36

  Not to mention stupid. K this and K that, please :)

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by manyoso on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @08:34

  He is kidding. The name hasn't been decided.

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Navindra Umanee on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @08:38

  We're working under the banner of KDE Enterprise and will be open to targetting other platforms in addition to Debian. And although we're integrating and supporting GTK+, we're still KDE. GTK+ is basically becoming another toolkit you can develop with under the KDE desktop.

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Waldo Bastian on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @11:54

  KDevelop for example has excellent support for GTK+ I am told, despite the fact that its name starts with K.

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Matze on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @13:36

  What's the real difference between a KDE application and a qt application? Do all 3rd party KDE programs require QT? Why do shlashdotties alsways say that gpled qt was less free than lgpl of gtk? I don't understand this. One example: Hbasic (http://hbasic.sf.net), is it a KDE program?

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Aaron J. Seigo on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @16:30

  KDE applications use the added KDE technologies which include things such as KIO (network/device-transparent file access), XMLUI (which gives the ability to easily customize menus, shortcuts and toolbars), the KDE file dialog, the KDE printing system, the various standard KDE dialogs (e.g. edit toolbars, config windows), KConfig, DCOP (for IPC and scripting), icon (and other) themes... etc, etc.. basically a whole bunch of stuff that improves on or adds to what Qt provides. HBasic isn't a KDE app, it's a Qt app... but it does work well and blend in quite nicely with a KDE desktop. KBasic, on the other hand, is a KDE app (http://kbasic.org)

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by manyoso on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @19:03

  <i>"Why do shlashdotties alsways say that gpled qt was less free than lgpl of gtk? I don't understand this."</i> They do this because some fairly prominent developers have chosen to pass around this FUD to slur KDE/Qt... despite knowing better. It is an embarrasment and deeply ironic.

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Jupp on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @13:26

  Why don't we call it the KNU-System?

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Aaron J. Seigo on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @16:30

  ooh! ooh! the DONALD KNU-System! ;-)

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Donny boy on Monday 22/Dec/2003, @15:50

  Knuth?

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• Re: what's it gonna be called? by Donny boy on Monday 22/Dec/2003, @15:51

  KNU=Knuth's not user

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• Re: Problem with Plastik checkboxes ? by André Somers on Sunday 21/Dec/2003, @11:48

  Please report problems to bugs.kde.org. Reporting them on the dot is not very usefull. These reports tend to get lost.

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I totally agree with him.