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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Anton Velev on Saturday 03/Jan/2004, @07:43
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Ok, just don't speculate with the word 'FREEDOM' because
"enforced freedom is not freedom"
and freedom is something more than that, and is more like:
- freedom of choice
- free market
- free speach
- freedom to innovate
and i will something from myself:
- freedom from GPL |
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Datschge on Saturday 03/Jan/2004, @07:58
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Mr. Velve, the GPL is not about the freedom to take (like BSD) but the freedom to give. The concerned audience is not the one you are representing by asking and begging for specific features, but the audience which actually gives away their own work for free, that is programmers and other kind of contributors. Those have no interest whatsoever in others having the freedom to take away their work for free, instead they are concerned to see their work to stay free. This is exactly what the GPL does. You are clearly wasting your time here.
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Kurt Pfeifle on Saturday 03/Jan/2004, @08:16
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>>GPL is not about the freedom to take (like BSD) but the freedom to give
I would modify that sentence to read like this:
GPL is not about the freedom to only "take" (like BSD), but the freedom to "give and take"
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Datschge on Saturday 03/Jan/2004, @22:50
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I chose "give" since GPL is strictly a source distribution enforcement license.
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Kurt Pfeifle on Sunday 04/Jan/2004, @02:20
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OK -- I can see your point
My "give and take" is meant to express that the GPL is more "balanced", in that it asks, in a way, for a return from the receiver of Free Software, should he more than just use it (re-distribute modified or un-modified).
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Ray on Friday 09/Jan/2004, @09:31
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>Mr. Velve, the GPL is not about the freedom to take (like BSD) but the freedom to give. ... they are concerned to see their work to stay free.
Sorry, the GPL is not just about seeing the existing work stay free. That's an acceptable summary for the LGPL, AFSL 2.0, and quite a number of other open source licenses. If all you are concerned about is preventing open source software from being usurped, then there are plenty of licenses beside the GPL that will achieve this goal.
The GPL is about taking and increasing the amount of software bound by the GPL. This is exactly what the GPL does. Merely linking to a GPL'ed lib makes your entire application GPL'ed. Please read the GPL FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfLibraryIsGPL
You may like the viral aspects of the GPL. That's fine. Other's don't and for many of them, it is indeed a problem. But please, don't cast the GPL as just protecting open source and definitely don't portray it as the only viable option.
>You are clearly wasting your time here.
If you are chosing to ignore the reality of the GPL, or intentionally misrepresenting the GPL so it can infect other code, or actually feel that the work of others somehow automagically belongs to everybody, simply because they link to a GPL'ed library, then yes indeed he is wasting his time.
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Mike on Thursday 11/Mar/2004, @02:03
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From a philosophical perspective all software functionality will eventually become "free". GPL is merely a catalyst for the inevitable. 1-1=1
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Kurt Pfeifle on Saturday 03/Jan/2004, @08:35
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Mr. Velev,
I clearly don't want to share the your kind of freedom: you are putting a lot of different things into the same bag and tell me that they belong together.
I am all for "freedom of choice". But I also am aware: any "freedom of choice" in our type of society and environments must have also "limits".
If you'd use your "freedom of choice" to do me harm, I will fight back. I assure you, that wouldn't be pleasant for you nor for me, nor for the rest of us.
That's why sane people voluntarily restrict themselves to not use freedom of choice to their own personal gusto and advantage alone. I am sure you are one of these sane people... ;-)
But not all are nice as you. There are not just sane guys and gals on this evil world. That's where rules and law and law enforcement comes into play. And the bending of rules and laws And power and even dictatorship.
We choose to use some rules under which our software may be used, and ask users to agree to these rules. These rules are *very* liberal. These rules even include a big degree of "freedom of choice", "free market", "free speech", "freedom to innnovate", believe it or not.
Your "freedom from GPL" would stop protecting the above freedoms. Your "freedom from GPL" denies my freedom to choose the GPL.
Your are wasting your time. And mine. I, for my part, will now stop wasting time.
Have a nice time with using KDE on Linux, *BSD, *nix or Mac OS X!
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by Dude on Saturday 03/Jan/2004, @12:18
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Judging from your posts. Your "true freedom" seems like anarchism to me.
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Re: Freedom of Software protected by GPL -- not BS
by ghostdoguk on Saturday 24/Jan/2004, @16:47
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Freedom errrm. Speach is not speech. I get pissed off with the inability of the new world to speak english. Please -- doesn't KDE have a spell checker ?
I use Macos X. I love KDE.
sorry
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