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Re: aweww
by Dominic on Friday 16/Jan/2004, @18:55
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>> I have not heard a single reason for using Gentoo that makes sense.
I have one : Portage. There's no such thing like Portage hell.
>> ...taking a day to install KDE.
For me it takes only a night. I can start a compilation before going to bed and wake up with a shiny new KDE desktop optimized for my computer :-) |
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Re: aweww
by uga on Saturday 17/Jan/2004, @04:33
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>I have one : Portage. There's no such thing like Portage hell.
Hahahha. Have you heard that somebody is trying to replace it? ;)
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Re: aweww
by Roberto Alsina on Saturday 17/Jan/2004, @05:15
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"Thereīs no such thing as portage hell".. Oh yeah?
http://home.primus.ca/~dooley/travel/baroncanyon/portage/portage.html
Seriously, portage is not magic. If the guy writing the build script makes a mistake, his stuff is broken, just as if a rpm maker does.
BTW: last time I tried to build KDE at my office desktop, it took 4 (four!) days. I find any distro that demands a 1Ghz box so that it "only" takes a night to install a package... of limited appeal.
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Re: aweww
by Janne on Sunday 18/Jan/2004, @10:06
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"BTW: last time I tried to build KDE at my office desktop, it took 4 (four!) days. I find any distro that demands a 1Ghz box so that it "only" takes a night to install a package... of limited appeal."
How much time would you lose during that night, since you would be sleeping regardless? I run Gentoo on a 300Mhz laptop. I installed it from stage 1 (meaning: EVERYTHING is compiled) with ZERO problems. How did I manage that? Simple: I left it compiling GCC, Glibc etc. when I went to bed. It was finished in the morning. Then I started compiling X, Fluxbox etc. and went to work. When I came back, it had finished. I had a usable system with ZERO time lost. And of course, I can use the laptop while it compiles (you know, Linux IS a multitasking OS). It's not like I have to stare at the screen and watch while it compiles.
Of course, if you need to have the app installed NOW, you can always install a binary instead of compiling from source. I fail to see the problem here
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Re: aweww
by Roberto on Sunday 18/Jan/2004, @15:54
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My computers work. They are mail servers, web servers, app servers, and most of them do their work 24/7. They are not hobby toys. They are tools.
I simply canīt say "the upgrade will take place sometime in the next 24 hours", or assume that performance will hold.
I need deterministic downtime for software upgrades, and gentooīs portage doesnīt give that. Yes, I can install binaries. But then gentoo loses the only thing that is different from other distros!
If I install binaries, whatīs the point in using gentoo? Itīs like using Debian and install everything through alien.
You know, I will stop replying now, because this is boring.
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Re: aweww
by Janne on Sunday 18/Jan/2004, @22:29
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Point of Gentoo is not "yay, we compile everything!". You are extremely superficial if you think that Gentoo is just about compiling. Gentoo-users who use it because "everything is compiled and optimized for my system" are in the minority. Most use it for other reasons (cutting-edge apps, Portage (there's more to Portage than just compiling you know), the community, startup-scripts etc. etc.). The fact that you can compile and optimize the apps is just a nice addition to everything else.
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