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Eric Lafoon
by Gerd on Tuesday 09/Mar/2004, @08:44
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| is a true star of the scene. Quanta and Kdevelop are products where you don't find a proper replacement in the windows world. I mentioned it last week during a kdevelop presentation: It was presented to intrested viewers as a good framework to add more languages, as a kind of work in progress. To outsiders this sounds as if the software was not mature. Talk about your pearls, don't take everything for granted. There is nothing like it in the windows world. |
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by mark dufour on Tuesday 09/Mar/2004, @08:51
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eclipse.org? it's even platform independent..
(or better yet, vim)
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by Gerd on Tuesday 09/Mar/2004, @09:22
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Eclipse? Well, this is no real community project and a little bit limited. It's not quite the same market.
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by Eric Laffoon on Tuesday 09/Mar/2004, @10:59
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> eclipse.org? it's even platform independent..
Which means it's not classically a part of the Windows world doesn't it? There are also a number of people who prefer not to work in Java interfaces. IIRC Zend Studio also uses this and I've had people tell me they were thrilled to be up to speed again with Quanta. Eclipse is an impressive tool, but by being so open and diverse it may well not be near what you'd like for particular development use. Even Quanta suffers a little from this open vs focus syndrome, but by being much more tightly focused on the type of development predominant on the internet it remains a very good choice. It does not compare with Eclipse for Java development, but the key point Gerd was making is about being open. This year the foundation should be complete that would allow Quanta to be able to be modified for this level of support.
So the question if you're a developer might be if you prefer a fast integrated KDE native solution with it's advantages or an IBM sponsored Java project with it's backing. Note that I am an amoeba compared to an elephant looking at my resources and IBM and we are still having this conversation. Score one for the little guy, getting in the ball park.
> (or better yet, vim)
You may find this heresy, but I've had many Vim users write me under cover of darkness that they have been converted. They probably can't say so in public for fear of being labled a heretic, but I consider it a substantial accomplishment nonetheless. ;-)
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by mark dufour on Tuesday 09/Mar/2004, @14:54
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hm. I don't think they were real vim users.. ;) anyway, I've never used quanta.. but I will give you the opportunity to promote it some more.. :) are you planning on adding support for ktexteditor components? that would be great.. I just tried kdevelop in ideal mode, using the vim ktexteditor.. heh, it was almost like the real vim! :)
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by Eric Laffoon on Tuesday 09/Mar/2004, @15:25
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> hm. I don't think they were real vim users.. ;)
I can only go by what I saw in the shadowy moonlight and what I heard in hushed whispers. I believe them though... They seemed to know the secret handshake, but it could have just been their fingers contorting to another key combination. ;-)
> anyway, I've never used quanta.. but I will give you the opportunity to promote it some more.. :)
Hey, thanks, but remember I warned you... It has led to heresy.
> are you planning on adding support for ktexteditor components? that would be great.. I just tried kdevelop in ideal mode, using the vim ktexteditor.. heh, it was almost like the real vim! :)
Actually we're working on implementing KMDI which will make ideal mode support a reality. We have three developers dancing around what they have to do trying to decide who does it, but we are working on foundational elements that will make it easier. We've been gradually moving toward a more editor neutral design so that Kvim would be possible to use, though it may give up a small amount of functionality. Also the Kate guys have been doing some compelling work.
I can't give a date for Vim support in Quanta for sure. We have heard a lot less requests for it lately. I think, depending on developer input, the odds are fairly good it will be implemented this year. It would be very quick if a strong pro Vim developer were to get involved.
Of course if we enable a Vim plug in in Quanta I have to think about how to calm Vim users troubled that they may be addicted to something like an IDE. ;-)
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by Andras Mantia on Tuesday 09/Mar/2004, @15:30
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We are already using KTextEditor, but in some places our code depends on the katepart. There is no deadline nor a real priority for it, but we try to make it editor independent in the near feature. So yes, expect that KVim will be usable in Quanta (hopefully this year). But having the IDEAl (and other KMDI based) mode is a priority and should come in a month or so, but definitely it will be in Quanta 3.3.
Andras
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by Ing. Jozef Sakalos on Wednesday 06/Jul/2005, @18:38
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Hi Andras,
a year ago you wrote that kvim will be usable as the Quanta editor.
Is it still valid?
Maybe I'm freak, but I edit (mainly PHP scripts) at least 5 times faster in kvim as in kate-like editors.
The editor concept is the only reason I do not use Quanta as my main development tool.
Am I really alone or I only don't know how to setup kvim in Quanta?
Best regards,
Jozef
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by ac on Thursday 07/Jul/2005, @09:31
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KVim has been discontinued ages ago, you should look for its replacement Yzis.
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by Ing. Jozef Sakalos on Thursday 07/Jul/2005, @13:37
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Yes, I've looked at Yzis but it's still far from being usable for serious work.
But OK, if there is no other possibility I'll wait until the Yzis is usable.
Thanks for answer,
Jozef
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by Aaron J. Seigo on Tuesday 09/Mar/2004, @10:59
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to be perfectly fair, vim is a text editor (and a damn fine one at that, he says glancing at his vim-in-konsole sessions), which is quite different than what Quanta and KDevelop are.
and Quanta and KDevelop are pretty "platform independent" as well as they run on any platform KDE runs on, which is quite a few. Eclipse gains it's platform flexibility by using Java, which is available pretty much everywhere these days, in a similar way to how Quanta can run on a number of systems due to KDE libs running just about everywhere these days. personally (note that i said _personally_) i could care less if it runs on MS Windows; if it does, hooray for those stuck in that world.
OT: i have a feeling that Eclipse's popularity has a lot to do with IBM's pushing it hard PR-wise more than anything else =) i'm sure it's a fine product (i don't use IDEs myself), but that's not why it's suddenly become so popular =) it's an interesting experiment in Free Software because we'll see how far old-fashioned PR stunting can go in pushing a project into the mainstream.
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Re: Eric Lafoon
by Gerd on Wednesday 10/Mar/2004, @03:01
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I guess the initial point was: Wow, these tools, nothing on the market compares with and what KDE supporters on trade fairs talk sounds like the understatement of L.I. (Klaus Wennemann) in the classic movie Das Boot(1981) scene: A few things still need to be fixed.
Intrested outsiders will get: Oh, it is not ready yet.
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