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kdewebdev ???
by mi on Sunday 14/Mar/2004, @15:21
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Isnt it a trademarked name of an already existing web developpment app?
Was kdreamweaver already taken?
I propose GNU/frontpage! |
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by cm on Sunday 14/Mar/2004, @16:08
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> Isnt it a trademarked name of an already existing web developpment app?
No idea. Do you have a source for this?
> Was kdreamweaver already taken?
> I propose GNU/frontpage!
You're not searious, are you?
Do you remember what happened to KIllustrator?
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by cm on Sunday 14/Mar/2004, @16:09
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Ouch!
s/searious/serious/
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by mi on Sunday 14/Mar/2004, @18:32
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http://www.google.com/search?q=webdev&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
the second link. webdev7.
Yes, i remember killustrator, that's why i ask.
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by mi on Sunday 14/Mar/2004, @18:33
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http://www.pcsoft.fr/webdev/
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by mi on Sunday 14/Mar/2004, @18:35
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As i read my initial comment, it seems a little harsh. No offense meant, quanta is a great app, but since the legal atmosphere is to sue anyone and his grand mother, i get easily fed up just by the thought of this kind of trouble.
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by Eric Laffoon on Sunday 14/Mar/2004, @19:59
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kdewebdev is our CVS module. If someone really wants to sue us to change the name on that I think I would probably start a legal fund and countersue for damages. ;-) There is a certain point where things get overly ridiculous and as my mom used to say there are some people it is not worth getting angry if they have a long memory and a crazy streak.
Law suits can be a form of harassment. However the question is who suffers more. Generally FLOSS developers consider that they don't have the resources and roll over. If they are likely to lose they may as well. However if they are in the right that's another story. It is now possible to buy legal insurance for a project, something I've been considering and note that in the wake of SCO large legal funds have been set up to protect developers. Again, I believe we have well over a million users. My thinking is this... if someone were to bring a totally harassing law suit with no merit why roll over? Make it a referendum for users. In my opinion, the first time some stupid company finds out that an open source project has a larger legal fund then they do it will be the last frivolous lawsuit against an FLOSS project for some time.
The bottom line is nobody wants more trouble than they can handle. That and I'm crazy and don't roll over real easy. Killustrator is probably not a fight a developer could predictably win however irritating as there is legal precedent for Adobe. kdewebdev is another matter. ;-)
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by mi on Monday 15/Mar/2004, @10:32
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I agree with you with all my heart.
It was this sentence from the link from your name in the above news:
<i> lead what is now the kdewebdev project, which consists of Quanta+, Kommander and other web development tools.</i>
which made me think that it was a new name to the whole bunch of apps and that it was going to be pushed up front. A little bit like kontact is for kmail and knotes and all.
Yes, suing for a cvs name would be really crazy.
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by cm on Sunday 14/Mar/2004, @21:52
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> Yes, i remember killustrator, that's why i ask.
Ah, ok.
Sorry, missed the sarcasm.
But I don't really understand why,
I must have been very tired ;-)
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by David on Monday 15/Mar/2004, @10:26
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I hadn't heard of this:
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/02/1648243.shtml
They were f****** joking weren't they? The last I looked Illustrator was a word in a dictionary, and adequately described something that was able to 'illustrate'. So Adobe invented illustration - I'd like to see that played out in a court. I could understand it if Adobe had invented a non-dictionary name, so it should have been hard-cheese on Adobe for not being more inventive. It sounded like the lawyer here was just demanding 2500 euros for no reason whatsoever.
It is rather like Lindows. You cannot argue on the similarity of names. Lindows is not Windows, no matter how 'similar' or confusing that is (no law can ever get into charades 'sounds like' arguments) and Windows is a generic word in computing. KIllustrator is not Adobe Illustrator and illustrator is a generic term.
Please tell me this was some sort of bloody joke?
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by Eric Laffoon on Monday 15/Mar/2004, @12:19
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Joke? Wake up and smell the coffee... I'm sure you'd agree with me that "Windows" is far to generic a term to be given trademark on and there is prior art going all the way back to Xerox Parc and beyond. Nobody in their right mind would have even tried, which is why it took the hubris of MS to do it.
Now that we agree on that, and interestingly Lindows may yet get the Windows trademark pulled in the US (last I heard) this is pulled from today's news...
http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2004031501026NWMSLL
As you can see Lindows has lost the trademark battle in Europe. I admire Robertson's moxie, but he took a risky path. Also, for those who think we in the US has a monopoly on stupidity I think the MobiliX case in German court where they ruled it infringed on the trademark of the Obilix, a French comic book character was the epitome of ridiculous, but that was finally overturned.
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-09-06-002-26-NW-CY-LL
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by David on Monday 15/Mar/2004, @12:50
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Ah, of course. Perhaps I'm applying too much commone sense to the situation.
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Re: kdewebdev ???
by Kurt Pfeifle on Monday 15/Mar/2004, @13:46
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> ...the MobiliX case in German court where they ruled <
> it infringed on the trademark of the Obilix, a French <
> comic book
The characters' name is "Obelix" (Ob*e*lix), which makes it even more different
from "Mob*i*lix"....
And I agree: the only monopoly ever entirely ruled out is one stupidity ;-)
Cheers,
Kurt
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