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A Look Back and a Look Forwards at KDE 3.3

Posted by binner on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @00:53
from the where-past-meets-future dept.
Chris Dunphy wrote a nice four page KDE 3.2.1 Review in March which we obviously missed and which imo hasn't received the attention it deserves yet. On the other side we were notified by "illogic-al" that he has written a short "What's New, KDE 3.3 Preview" based on KDE 3.3 Alpha. The first KDE 3.3 Beta with more completed features is expected to be released in about one week.

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Language feature
by Heiko Evermann on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @01:31

One feature in KDE 3.3 that is not mentioned in the article is a change in language evaluation.
The old way was: from the list of languages that the user likes, pick the first language that offers a translation of the program. Fill the rest with English.
The new was is: from the list of languages that the user likes, pick the first language that offers a translation of the program. Fill the rest with the translations from the second choice language etc. Fill the rest with English.

This is especially useful for smaller languages like Low Saxon where the rest of the translation of a program can be filled up with standard German.

Another (quite stupid) example from bugs.kde.org:
Kontact was not tranlated into Ukrainian, but kmail was. The user had said in kcontrol, that he likes Ukrainian and Russian in this order.

If you then start kmail as a standalone program you get in in Ukrainian. When you launch it via kontact, KDE finds out that Kontact is not translated into Ukrainian and uses Russian for kontact and all its submodules.

This is now fixed.

Heiko Evermann

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Re: Language feature by Anonymous on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @01:35
Re: Language feature by hein on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @06:52

Re: Language feature by P.Alves on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @05:23
Re: Language feature by Christian Loose on Sunday 27/Jun/2004, @16:14

Kwallet
by Jelmer on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @02:12

I absolutely agree with the guy who wrote the kde 3.3 preview about the kwallet thing. It must be me, but I hadn't found the option to disable it yet (there might be something wrong with my configuration though).

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Re: Kwallet by Niek on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @02:34

Re: Kwallet by Nilesh Bansal on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @02:58

Re: Kwallet by Paul Eggleton on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @00:26

Re: Kwallet by Anonymous on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @03:01
Re: Kwallet by Chris on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @05:49

Re: Kwallet by somekool on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @09:39

Re: Kwallet by Bausi on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @04:37

Re: Kwallet by Mark Hannessen on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @12:51

Student
by Sebastian Greiner on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @02:35

Will there be full support for real SVG-icons in KDE 3.3? Or is there a possibility to use SVGs in KDE 3.2.3? :-(
Will Kitchensync have new connectors or will it even work? For example to sync with a Sony-Ericsson mobile? (T630) ;-)

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Re: Student sorry >>> SVG / Kitchensync by Sebastian Greiner on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @02:37
Re: Student by Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @02:53

Re: Student by Luciano on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @06:33

IrmcSync by Fred Schättgen on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @12:43

Re: IrmcSync by Sebastian Greiner on Sunday 27/Jun/2004, @17:59

Re: IrmcSync by brenton on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @04:33

Redundancy..
by smt on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @03:18

Weren't most of the other appearance-related KCM's supposed to be hidden once the theme manager was moved out of kdenonbeta? I've been waiting patientially for someone to do that for some time :-)

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Re: Redundancy.. by Lukas Tinkl on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @09:05

Re: Redundancy.. by Anonymous on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @09:17

theme manager
by hein on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @06:59

"get new themes" and "install themes" sounds very similar.

This might create confusion.

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Re: theme manager by Anonymous on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @08:16

kdm
by Michael Donaghy on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @09:15

I never had a problem with the kdm pictures (I like being a stylised dragon thank you very much), but what bugs me is that in 3.2 the option to edit the session list in kcontrol seems to have gone missing. So I can no longer log into xfce from kdm. Anyone else have this problem?

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Re: kdm by David on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @20:29

what a bad reviewers
by somekool on Friday 25/Jun/2004, @09:33

First one keep complaining about small issues which are really subjective.

like the default look. I'm sorry, but I like life and bright color. It's what make KDE and Apple different from all other boring interface like Gnome and Windows.

Working on a computer is not only for boring gray guy wearing a tie.

I like curves, forms, movement, like cars and womans ;)
Keramik is great and looks ALIVE ! Plastik is dead and morgne. look like default gray GTK.

BUT WHO CARES !!! Its what makes Linux so great... use whatever you prefer. It's available to you. Keeping complaining about default look all along the review does not makes it a good review. Really boring to read.

For the orange and yellow in kmail, If I understood correctly what he was talking about ... The orange is customizable in colors, and the yellow is to show SECURITY RISK !!! Which MUST jump in user's eyes.

well, whatever.

and the second one... way more positive.. but unreadable...
come'on do you think we remember your 3.2 review ? All this insides jokes are way to much. Please be more professional. I've not been able to understand half of his review because of all his jokes, smiles and unreadable kiddies english.

whatever, hopefully this review won't make peoples laugh out of KDE.

KDE is way better, however how it looks on your particular setup.

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Re: what a bad reviewers by oliv on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @17:36
Re: what a bad reviewers by illogic-al on Tuesday 29/Jun/2004, @01:27

Noatun >> /dev/null
by ac on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @07:42

With apparently both Juk and Amarok now in KDE 3.3, can someone enlighten me as to what the use, purpose or reason is for allowing any further existence of Noatun?

Look at the "freaking" Noatun website for a good laugh: http://noatun.kde.org/news.php#NoWereNotStillAlive "The primary reason nothing is happening here at noatun.kde.org is that we noatun developers consider noatun so close to completion it's not worth discussing."

In the mean time, are we supposed to wait for coders send from "above" to code heavenly plugins which are not likely to become default in 10 years and not likely to ever ex-hist in the first place, given developers and users are 'embracing' Juk and Amarok?

Is there some hidden secret agenda behind Noatun which is going to blow all our minds away in one big global awe? Please enlighten me as to why Noatun is even allowed to be in KDE anymore.

Just curious.

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Re: Noatun >> /dev/null by Anonymous on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @07:55

Re: Noatun >> /dev/null by ac on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @08:11

Re: Noatun >> /dev/null by affenschlaffe on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @12:30

Re: Noatun >> /dev/null by foljs on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @20:24
Re: Noatun >> /dev/null by teatime on Tuesday 29/Jun/2004, @02:37
Re: Noatun >> /dev/null by Jeld The Dark Elf on Friday 02/Jul/2004, @22:06

Re: Noatun >> /dev/null by yemu on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @22:10

Re: Noatun >> /dev/null by somekool on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @11:11

Still with Arts? + kwin&konqueror crashes thoughts
by Edulix on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @08:07

Hello ! It looks like KDE 3.1 to 3.2 had much more changes than KDE 3.2 to 3.3 doesn't it?

Anyway, it's wonderful that Chris' just one more time telling us what's new in the next KDE version ;-).

Chris mentions: " Kwin has suffered the occasional inexplicable death. You never really fully appreciate the term "Window Manager" until it's crashed and you realize just how much it does."

I totally agree with you man ! I've even suffered kwin crashes in KDE 3.2.x stable versions, and ended up filling a feature request, where I suggest the best possible solution: If the WM crashes, KDE should restart it smartly: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82277 .

I'm happy you still hadn't any konqueror crash, because in FC1 + KDE 3.2.2 it likes crashing a lot =). I have filled a bug report that suggest a solution with a similar approach to the last one; this time the fix would be to ask the user if he want to recover last session when it opens a new konqui's window and it has just crashed. You can read the report in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83803 .

Finally, Chris mentions that he configured gstreamer output in amaroK. I'm a tad curious: wasn't KDE 3.3 supposed to replace arts with other Sound System ? I think It would be sad if we continue with arts for another KDE big version; every other Sound Library I've used so far has worked better than it here. I think that I'm most probably wrong and the challenge was for KDE 4 :P.

Regards,
Edulix.

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Re: Still with Arts? + kwin&konqueror crashes thoughts by Anonymous on Saturday 26/Jun/2004, @08:15
Re: Still with Arts? + kwin&konqueror crashes thoughts by Scott Wheeler on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @20:21
um. chris? [was Re: Still with Arts? ] by illogic-al on Tuesday 29/Jun/2004, @02:22

Kde rocks
by Mark Hannessen on Sunday 27/Jun/2004, @15:00

every kde release has had "a must have" something since I started using kde 1.0

This time the there are many many interesting features including:

Anti Spam Wizard
Anti Virus Wizard
Kolab client integraton
HTML mail composing
GUI for enabling KIOSK features

keep up the good work kde!

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Re: Kde rocks by Eric Laffoon on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @05:35

Re: Kde rocks by Mark Hannessen on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @13:14

Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite...
by Pupeno on Sunday 27/Jun/2004, @20:36

What I'm finding kinda disturbing in KDE lately is the repetition of applications, can we just leave one application for each tasks... I don't know about Noatun, Juk and Amarok, but about kwrite and kedit... when will kedit will be removed ? My simple market researching shows that application redundancy confuses people.

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Re: Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite... by Paul Eggleton on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @00:44

Re: Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite... by Anonymous on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @09:41

Re: Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite... by David on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @20:39

Re: Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite... by keber on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @20:45

Re: Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite... by Nicolas Goutte on Tuesday 29/Jun/2004, @01:10

Re: Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite... by Pupeno on Tuesday 29/Jun/2004, @01:25

Re: Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite... by Nicolas Goutte on Tuesday 29/Jun/2004, @02:09

Re: Noatun, Juk, Amarok, kedit, kwrite... by Pupeno on Tuesday 29/Jun/2004, @02:13

My homepage/startpage
by ac on Monday 28/Jun/2004, @19:22

When I am browsing the web using Konqueror in KDE 3.2/3.3, which button do I press to go to my homepage/startpage?

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Re: My homepage/startpage by Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen on Tuesday 29/Jun/2004, @00:57
Re: My homepage/startpage by Artie on Wednesday 30/Jun/2004, @03:31

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