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Re: Plastick? Default?
by quaff on Tuesday 12/Oct/2004, @23:55
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"Plastik is now ridiculously fast and has become a strong contender for the default style"
You're not reading this properly, its saying that Plastik is BECOMING a strong contender for the default style; it is not stating that Plastik IS now the default style.
They haven't changed the default style yet :P
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Anonymous on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @00:14
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> They haven't changed the default style yet :P
Plastik *is* in kdebase and default in HEAD.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by ac on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @03:57
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HEAD is not released :)
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by blacksheep on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @09:32
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HEAD will be the base for 3.4 or 4.0 release.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Anonymous on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @00:16
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The documentation team withdrew their former objection due to new tools.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Tom on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @02:58
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To clarify, they now have a tool that allows them to automatically generate screenshots in any style, in any language, for documentation.
Previous to this tool, a change in style would have required the docs team to manually retake and touch up *every* screenshot in the docs!
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by KDE User on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @04:20
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sounds interesting. What tool is this. U have a link?
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Nicolas Goutte on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @04:56
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The discussion about switching to Plastik is in the thread http://lists.kde.org/?t=109500725600001&r=2&w=2
I do not remember the discussion enough to know if the tool was only described or if there was a real link somewhere in the discussion.
Have a nice day!
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by adsfa23143214 on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @05:10
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Yes but where is the discussion where everyone agreed on switching to Plastik, including the Keramik maintainer?
It just happened and as a regular developer, I certainly don't remember agreeing :)
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Nicolas Goutte on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @11:21
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I do not think that the agreement to switch was made in this thread.
It was discussed many times before that changing the default style was needed. The only problem remaining was the documentation that had to remain synchronized with a change.
Have a nice day!
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by ac on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @07:12
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KD Executor
http://dot.kde.org/1081440693/
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by JohnFlux on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @10:24
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Isn't that non-Free ?
Is kde going to rely on this?
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Aaron J. Seigo on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @11:29
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it isn't an integral (e.g. required) tool for development. it's simply a tool with no Free Software equivalent that lets us get a certain, specific task that needs to get done right now in a timely manner so we can get on with the business of producing another great revision of our Free/Open Source Software desktop.
it's similar to our icons: there just weren't any good Free Software graphics packages suitable for doing professional icon design. instead of shipping no icons or crappy icons, the artists used various non-Free tools to get the necessary job done and released the results under an Open Source license. everybody benefits. as Free tools become available, they get used for creating icons.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by cm on Thursday 14/Oct/2004, @05:10
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Yes, it's free as in "free beer" for KDE usage:
http://dot.kde.org/1081440693/
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by John Styles Freak on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @04:47
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I've never seen anyone saying "we only change styles for major releases". It would even be contradictory since Keramik became default in KDE 3.1. What many say is that styles should be kept for at least some minor releases, to avoid constantly changing KDEs image and the effort from changing all the documentation.
Keramik was kept for 3 minor releases now (KDE 3.1, 3.2, 3.3). The next release, KDE 3.4, will have a long life so we won't have opportunities to change defaults in a long time. So it's natural to place much emphasis on good defaults and general polishing for this release.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Shulai on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @06:52
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Long life? How much? I mean, larger than 3.2 and 3.3, yes, but I guess KDE 4 will come less than a year after 3.4.
OTOH, I wonder, if there was so much complains about Keramik, what about Classic?
Yes, Classic KDE2 plain vanilla style. while the WM style is a bit lame, but the widget style it is still clean, fast, and nice with those soft gradients.
The "we need a default look as shiny or shinier than Windows and Mac can offer" does not catch me. XP's green and blue look is ugly, and Keramik was simply a response to that.
Plastic is nice, but I guess there will be a lot of complaints if it is the default, as well. But I don't remember any complaints against Classic.
Just my opinion, of course.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by ac on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @07:07
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You don't remember any complaints? Boy, that one made me laugh out loud! Do you even know what the KDE Classic style is?
You must have severely confused projects if you think there ever was a moment when there were no complaints. :-)
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by blacksheep on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @09:35
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Classic, especially High Color, is not that bad. I think you're the one that doesn't know what that style is. Check it on KControl.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Joe on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @20:18
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I complained. I hated it. Use it if you want, troll.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by Brandybuck on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @10:18
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KDE 3.4 will have a new style in kdeartwork, Phase <http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11402>. Like Highcolor Classic, this is "clean, fast, and nice with those soft gradients". It was designed for the same people that like Highcolor Classic.
We certainly want KDE to have a good first impression. Which is why the next default will probably be Plastik, which has an understated elegance sorely lacking in Luna and Aqua. But it won't suit everyone, which is why we have other styles.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by KDE User on Wednesday 13/Oct/2004, @12:23
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Great. I lacked good styles like this one. Looks crisp and with clear borders, good.
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Re: Plastick? Default?
by gerd on Thursday 14/Oct/2004, @00:20
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I strongly disagree, first impression counts and Keramik is out of style. While it is important to remain API consistent I don't see a reason to let worse layout remain.
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