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Re: flash
by Eric Laffoon on Sunday 17/Oct/2004, @05:18
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The program was called F4L (Flash for Linux) and was written by a Turkish student. There were problems. First it was an alpha and I could not get it to compile and second many criticized that he had copied a bad interface and there were better design approaches. As I haven't done much with Flash I was not in the best position to evaluate. I approached the author and he was going to get it to compile and work with us. He as very excited about getting it into the kdewebdev module. Unfortunately he wasn't too excited about actually coding. I found very little done in his CVS durnig our trial period and he did not access our developers for help. We still have the source from what he did, but I'm not sure it's value. I do know a developer who is quite knowledgable in Flash but he hates it. I won't name names but he lives in the UK. It would be pointless to approach him unless he was looking for work and I could pay him to do something he didn't particularly like. Note that the UK is too expensive for me to look to sponsor developers there and I already know he won't work on this for free.
Anyway the project you're referring to is a rare case where I broke my rule and asked for help before we had something good to show, because of the urgency the developer presented me. There didn't seem to be a lot of interest in the community. I did try to make something happen there but there is only so much one can do. |
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Re: flash
by Pat on Sunday 17/Oct/2004, @06:10
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Yesterday I was trying the new Komposé software, it's pretty cool.
Anyway as I was checking the homepage I landed on the developer blog here http://waidlafragger.de/~blog/oisch/ where he says he want to develop a free software project for his thesis and he would like to do something like:
"Creating storyboard-driven SVG Animation and Interaction Authoring Tool".
I don't think he's looking for a sponsor, maybe u could try to convince him to do it and include it in kdewebdev.
Cheers and thanx for Quanta
Pat
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Re: flash
by nunopinheiro on Monday 18/Oct/2004, @15:12
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well that idea has been in my mind for ages and i would be happy to help sponser sutch a project.
Superkaramba is a very popular aplication, think what one could do if animated svg were possible?
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Re: flash
by Eric Laffoon on Monday 18/Oct/2004, @18:06
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Send me an email so I can put it in a ticker. At KDE dot org I'm sequitur.
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Re: flash
by Turkish on Sunday 17/Oct/2004, @06:53
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Why is that of any importance? I'm sure he has a name, like you do, whatever your nationality may be, probably German, but I didn't check. As for the "Turkish Developer", who won a contest IBM arranged, like many OSS projects, lack of time, money and resources kill many of them. Also, in respect for the interface, it's a bit pretentious claiming it's bad because it clones something, if he did, comming from somone developing for KDE.
IMHO.
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Re: flash
by Ian Monroe on Sunday 17/Oct/2004, @08:12
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Nationality is important in terms of exchange rates and cost of living, as he mentioned in regard to the UK developer.
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Re: flash
by Eric Laffoon on Sunday 17/Oct/2004, @12:00
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> I'm sure he has a name, like you do, whatever your nationality may be, probably German, but I didn't check.
His name is Özkan Pakdil. Give me a break. I was typing that at 4 or 5 in the morning and the thing is I'm used to Western names and don't even have the non English characters on my keyboard. I would rather not mess up someone's name. Getting people's names right is important to me. BTW I'm not German, I'm from the US. I know a lot of KDE developers are from Germany, but it is mildly entertaining you assumed that and humbling to realize that my vital stats are still unknown. I like good software, cats and walks on the beach. ;-)
> Also, in respect for the interface, it's a bit pretentious claiming it's bad because it clones something, if he did, comming from somone developing for KDE.
Well with that command of the language maybe you should try re-reading what I said. I said that others who had used flash tools claimed that of two interfaces it could have modeled, he chose the bad one. I did not criticize what he did because, as I stated, I did not feel knowledgable enough on the tools because I don't use them.
However I really have to take offense to the slap on the end. If you're implying that I copy other tools here is my response. My previous web development tool was the OS/2 EPM editor. I have never owned any commercial web development tools nor have I seriously used any other free tools for web development. I did evaluate other tools before starting Quanta.
Anyone who has ever written and asked if I could make Quanta "like windows program X" knows that it is the wrong thing to say to me. I don't have and won't buy the program, I strongly resent the idea of cloning apps and in most cases the features people ask for can already be done in Quanta. I didn't build an application on Linux so I could copy Dreamweaver. I've spent thousands of dollars of my own money on Quanta. I could have bought Windows and Dreamweaver for less. I would have if I didn't have my own vision. I want to produce the best software anywhere. You can only be second best as a clone. What have we copied? Who have we copied? Where are my copies of what we've copied?
Is there any relationship to fact in your humble opinion? I find facts useful when developing opinions. ;-) Many former Dreamweaver users Have told me Quanta is by far a better tool for their work, not that we made a decent copy. Those are opinions based on experience and in my opinion that experience gives them value.
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Re: flash
by Hein on Sunday 17/Oct/2004, @07:00
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http://f4l.sourceforge.net/SS/
What's wrong with it? It looks like Flash?
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Re: flash
by Eric Laffoon on Sunday 17/Oct/2004, @12:13
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I don't know what's wrong with it, other than it never compiled for me. I believe the other interface people have said was better is Fireworks. I would most like to have someone knowledgable with developing Flash look at the task, and not just an interface, but I guess anything is better than nothing. In any case we have a policy that we only do what we can do well. So to develop this application for kdewebdev we would need two things...
1) A developer with the time to code it
2) A Flash user who could help with specifications and testing.
Note that we don't have #1 and #2 requires some rare talent and passion as well. Both combined is exceptional.
If there was community support to develop Flash/SVG web tools on Linux I have developers who have written me and told me they would like to be sponsored. (Possibly other SVG tools may become applicable as a plugin too.) This would take no more than a few hundred dollars a month to provide a sponsored backbone developer. I'm just not going to spread things too thin with current resources.
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Re: flash
by gerd on Monday 18/Oct/2004, @02:51
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Eric, if you could provide "support contracts" for Quanta I could possibly make my employee to sign such a contract, we have a software/IT budget. Bt donations are only worth if they are tax exempted.
And I am afraid for me as an European I can donate private money but I cannot donate business money.
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Re: flash
by Eric Laffoon on Monday 18/Oct/2004, @16:37
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At the moment I'm incredibly busy with work. When I get a chance to breath I will be working on the new web site with our site team. I also have registered a domain for consulting on Quanta and will be registering a company and setting up and account. This will enable professional developers and corporate entities to access true consulting arrangements. Our mailing lists and email support will continue as it is, but the idea is two fold.
1) Provide a higher level of structured information on a subscription basis - this will enable advanced users to team up to "contribute" their services as well as some other interesting ideas like offer professional level content - this would be an inexpensive subscription that would go to supporting development and also content for the service.
2) Provide real consulting - This would enable companies to purchase contractural support agreements which would range from X amount of time, other arrangements all the way to flying out developers to set up and install custom packages on a networked system and train users.
I don't expect the more advanced consulting to do much for a while but I would like to offer it. When we are farther along with Team Projects, VPL, XSLT/VPL and some other enhancements I think we will start to see returns on this.
In the mean time feel free to contact me regarding this. My email is sequitur at kde dot org. I'm sure you would expect I am very serious about delivering value with any contracting. I am able to contract now and will have the business umbrella shortly.
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Re: flash
by Flash for Linux on Thursday 18/Aug/2005, @04:05
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There is a little program for flash animation: FAT (300kb). Its new and you can download it here: http://fat.hut1.ru
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