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  KDE and the Linux Journal 2004 Readers' Choice Awards
KDE Success Story Posted by Barry O'Donovan on Thursday 28/Oct/2004, @16:09
from the writing-while-drinking dept.
KDE and its various applications have featured very well in the Linux Journal 2004 Readers' Choice Awards which are published in the November issue of the magazine. Most importantly, in the category of "Favorite Desktop Environment", KDE came in first followed by GNOME. The trend over recent years has shown KDE gaining more and more popularity over GNOME and this year KDE received two votes for every one that GNOME received.

There was a bit of bad news for KMail which dropped from second place last year to third place this year in the "Favorite E-Mail Client" category. Mozilla came in first with Ximian Evolution in second place. Kontact received no mention in the write-up but may have taken a share of KMail's votes. This dual-heading for KMail may have confused both the voters and the survey editors which omitted a number of obvious choices in many of the categories.

KDevelop came in fourth in "Favorite Development Tool" behind the old favorites of GCC and Emacs in first and second places respectively. IBM's Eclipse eclipsed KDevelop out of third place. Also-rans included vi and vim of which the survey editors put into two separate categories which reinforces my misgivings on the possible Kontact/KMail mix-up. Not that I'm a sore loser!

The field of "Favorite Text Editor" was by dominated by 'the old reliables' - vim took first place, followed by "vi and vi clones" in second and GNU Emacs in third. Kate came "in at a strong number four" and the editor, Heather Mead, asks the question "Could readers finally be ready for a modern user interface in an editor...?"

A surprise to me was that KDE Desktop Sharing came in third behind Webmin and YaST in "Favorite System Administration Tool". Congratulations to the development team behind that.

There was also some bad news for the KOffice team which didn't make the top three in "Favorite Office Program" or a mention in the editorial on the category. As you might guess, OpenOffice.org came in a clear first and miles ahead of the competition. AbiWord took second place followed by StarOffice.

Kopete jumped a place to second in "Favorite Instant Messaging Client". However it only knocked Jabber back into third by 7 votes. Gaim was the clear winner in first and Kopete has some ground to make up before it over takes it. In my opinion, Kopete is a far superior product but lacks the public awareness that Gaim has gained through outlets such as regularly featuring in the top 20 active projects of SourceForge as well as winning it's "Project of the Month" on more than one occasion. The Kopete team should consider a big push to coincide with the realise of KDE 3.4 concentrating on advertising its new features that are in development; such as its integration with Kontact in a similar way as MS Outlook and Messenger. With any luck you'll rise to first for next year.

Finally, in the category of "Favorite Web Browser", Konqueror retained its second place position with Mozilla again taking first. Opera took third and Galeon ended up in fifth place. Firefox was not offered as a choice and some users wishing to vote for it used the Mozilla box or the "Other" and this will no doubt have an effect on the results.

All in all I think it's a great set of results for KDE and all those who contribute to the project should be proud of their work and the recognition it is receiving.

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To cheer up the kontact guys...
by Thorsten Schnebeck on Thursday 28/Oct/2004, @17:25
... look at
http://www.linuxnewmedia.de/Award_2004/en

According to
http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2004/7441.html
kontact/Kmail/Mutt get the award for best eMail-Client.

Bye

Thorsten
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KDE gaining more and more popularity over GNOME...
by Mel on Thursday 28/Oct/2004, @23:07
...That's maybe because the buttons in GNOME Dialogs are in wrong order ;-)
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what KDE tools lack
by jmk on Thursday 28/Oct/2004, @23:47
Is above all: marketing. Second option would be redhat-acceptance, but as we all know how that works out..
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Kopete
by Martin on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @00:01
Well, I don't need Instant Messaging in terms of ICQ/MSN/etc. but
I would really like to use Kopete for IRC. I'm still using mIRC
on WINE because I could not find a decent IRC app for Linux.
KVIRC is far too geeky - I mean look at the strange titlebars - the
configuration dialogs: No way! So Kopete has a really useable UI
but unfortunately you just cannot add a new IRC server. This makes
it impossible to use it for IRC. If this is solved one day - I'm gonna
switch. In the meantime I guess mIRC will do ;-)

At work I recently switched to Evolution because I need Exchange
capabilities. So far I didn't regret it. Evolution is really miles
ahead here: It "just works"(TM). Especially I like the color coding
which exists in Thunderbird, too. A simple feature, but really useful
and I simulated it in KMail somehow by assigning a key to "Important" -
so I could at least have one "color".

So - all in all - many results are understandable IMHO but in general
KDE is on the right track. Open Source applications usually tend to
be wallflowers for a long time but somehow get off the ground one day
and surpass any competition (be it commercial or not).
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KDE's PR should become better.
by ac on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @01:51
KDE definately needs a better 'Task Force'. That is - people not just going to events but also do better public relations on the net. E.g. more public work like announcing singular applications, offering more screenshots which are polished and demonstrating people in action how stuff looks like.

I believe many people are simply lazy in not trying new things out and some of them even have prejudices because of this. I for example trust and like Kopete more than GAIM because I was able to fix my buddys list more than one time. GAIM used to trash my users list and even stored users outside the regular Tree (well the visible Tree structure) which then caused the app to crash more than one time. With Kopete I was able to grab these lost souls and place them back where they belong. The overall stability and appearance is definately for Kopete. Just one example.

You people need to go out and show the public why you believe your Desktop is the better choice for users and corporate and the old dual license debatte is quite pointless and people shouldn't jump on it all the time. You need to show the good aspects of your Desktop like powerful KIVIO, Umbrello, Kexi, KDevelop, Quanta Plus and so on. E.g. I recommend writing some user reviews about apps adding a bunch of screenshots to it and try releasing them on news sites (I think OSNews.com is quite a good place because of many visitors - even if it's more a GNOME centric site but I do believe Eugenia is open for such reviews and you clearly need to take the chance to do so). Every one or other month the one or other app in real life usage. This will clearly open the eyes of people, students, technicans and even secretaries.

Let's say someone starts writing an article about Umbrello, the other KStars, Kopete and so on. Who is doing what is unimportant, what's important is that these real life applications with great quality is being pushed more into public.
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Target audience for Kopete?
by AC on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @02:13
The features that now being worked on are business related. Examples are Groupwise support and Kontact integration.

This is great for me as I use those features, however I think if you want to make Kopete the number one IM you need to target a large group that currently uses IM; kids between 13-17 years old.

Like it or not this group doesn't care about usability or Kontact integration. They want eye/ear-candy. The more the better. Emoticons are not hot anymore, screen filling flash-movies with sound and everything on it make the world go round. Webcam support is becoming another much request feature by this group.

If you want to make Kopete the number one IM, you need to make sure to please this group.
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webcam support
by AC on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @02:36
I can say without a doubt that webcam support is needed... any of my friends that I've tried to convert to using the KDE desktop under linux just cry out for this, and when they find it's not there, it gives them the excuse they want to say "no thanks" and wander back to Windows where webcams "just work"..
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not so bad ...
by alice on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @02:54
Well, @first thanks to the whole KDE team for bringing the environment to the first place!
Then, about programs climbing listings the wrong way: I think that having low rating this year is a must for making the jump the next one, after letting the waves calm and surprising the audience with the new coolness and stability of KDE3.4.
We're ruling, strongly.
Also thanks (my personal ones) to: kate, kmail, kopete, koffice (and amarok :-) teams.
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Best media player
by Arnold P on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @03:47
There are no less than 3 (!) KDE apps in that list.

XMMS? Seriously, I don't think people who vote have actually tried out other alternatives very much...

If only people gave the KDE apps a closer look, I'm pretty sure they would top more lists.
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Where are the links???
by Huh???? on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @06:11
Isnt this story published a bit preliminary?? The online version of Linux Journal does not mention the results of the Awards at all. So I was curious and searched a bit.... Then I found this:

--> . . http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7724

It is signed "Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 by Heather Mead". Hmmmm... In _my_ part of the world it is still Saturday, the 29th of November, and it will be at least 15 more hours before it will be 1st of November in _her_ part of the world.

So.... I am surprised to see this sentence in the original Linux Journal article (online version):

> . . "For several years now, KDE and GNOME have finished first and
> . . second, respectively, with an ever-increasing distance between
> . . the two. This year, KDE received two votes for every one GNOME
> . . received."

I had read similar above, in Barry O'Donovan's article already. First thought was: this is a typically flame-bait, biased, triumphant KDE fanboy verbal excrement, fuelled by Barry's self-proclaimed "writing-while-drinking" mood.

To my surprise, it did flow from (Linux Journal Senior Editor) Heather Mead's feather, and Barry just stole the quote without using quotation marks...
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QT applications...
by ... on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @06:28
The sad story about KDE, they may win the desktop category but suck at the QT applications.


GNOME by the other hand, may be second on desktop category by win most of the applications with GTK.
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Heh.
by Illissius on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @06:47
My browser preferences are like, completely backwards. For me it's Opera > Konqueror > Firefox. ;)
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Kopete is very good but miss some things
by !nkubus on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @09:54
Look at Mac productsand check Adium and Proteus they are based on gnome but look at the UI and ho you cand modify it it's jsut awesome.

I wish Kopete had the possibility to customize the buddy list to actually see their buddy icon on the right. i wish i could make the buddy icon bigger on the main conversation windows not only by roll over it.

I wish kopete had more conversations style look at thoses supported by Adium it makes me dream.

Konqueror need to Integrate Gecko in 3.4 and make it support all Kparts and this will absolutly rocks and will win all awards IMHO.

I agree the the competition is not gnome but i'ts Apple and MS. Gnome is horrible IMHO buttons are too big defaults icons are old and outdated. applications are big fat and slow compare to their KDE counterpart.
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KMail (imap) still sucks...
by Mutator on Friday 29/Oct/2004, @12:15
it's quite unsable with many imap folders. Responsive is awful.
Moving folders doesn't work. Some versions are worser than
their predecessor. But 3.3.1 seems to work.

And konqueror rules...I need FireFox seldom.
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the gtk+ apps...
by salsa king on Saturday 30/Oct/2004, @01:43
just reading the list, and in all reality, alot of GTK+ (v1/v2) applications won hands down. Mozilla (GTK1/2 based), XMMS (GTK1 based), Gaim (GTK2 based), Gimp (GTK2 based). sure KDE won the Favourite Desktop Environment, and contrats for the win. But you have to take your hats off to the many GTK+-based apps that still reign on the desktop.
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