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kmail == Best Mail Client?
by pinky on Wednesday 03/Nov/2004, @12:05
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Hello,
i know it is dangerous to write something like this on a kde site but for me kmail is one of the worst kde application. That doesn't mean that kmail is bad, but compared with the other (real good) kde apps kmail is for me the worst one.
Since kde2 i wait until kmail provides gpg/mime support. gpg/mime is the standard way to use gpg and kmail doesn't support it by default.
I get a lot of mails from people with kmail which use inline-gpg because that is that was kmail uses by default. This simply sucks.
When will kmail support gpg/mime by default? |
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Daniel Molkentin on Wednesday 03/Nov/2004, @13:40
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Depends on your definition of "default":
If you mean "works as long as you install the required libs", that works perfectly since KDE 3.3. Most distributors even make kmail depend on those libs, so it's a complete non-issue to the user.
If you mean "works build-in": This will probably not happen. It's not really complicated to install gnupg (note: this does _not_ mean the cryptplug interface which was really complicated). Reason is that we simply cannot be experts, so we rely on gnupg (or gpgsm for that matter), because there is no reason to start over from scratch when there is a perfectly working solution for something as complex as S/MIME and encryption in general.
All in all, S/MIME works since KDE 3.2 at least, and if your distributor was at least a bit qualified, he made it working for you.
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by pinky on Wednesday 03/Nov/2004, @13:45
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thank you for this information.
i have debian sid and gnupg installed (i use it with mutt).
But kmail 1.7 doesn't have an option for gpg/mime.
Have i missed something?
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Daniel Molkentin on Wednesday 03/Nov/2004, @15:30
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You need GnuPG 1.9 for S/MIME. I don't know if debian packages are available for that.
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by pinky on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @04:15
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what's the different between pgp/mime and s/mime?
Are they compatible to each other?
> You need GnuPG 1.9
Debian uses gnupg 1.2.5 and the gnupg homepage (www.gnupg.org) says that 1.2.6 is the lateste version, so what is GnuPG 1.9 ?
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Daniel Molkentin on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @09:14
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GnuPG 2.0 pre. This is the first one to support S/MIME without the need of cryptplug.
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Distro Whore on Tuesday 16/Nov/2004, @20:33
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That's right, KDE made a release that depended on unreleased software. Pissed off every distro's KDE maintainers. What, are they all supposed to switch over to a version of gpg that even upstream won't bless yet?
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Tony Espley on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @05:22
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Hi,
Your defiantly doing something wrong, this has been implemented for ages (at least with my version of SuSE).
Look here for more details on how to get stuff working:
http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html
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http://kmail.kde.org - is the Kmail homepage.
Sorted ;-)
Tony
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by pinky on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @08:10
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>Look here for more details on how to get stuff working:
http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html
i know this site. But you have to install some packages, do this and that and so on...
This is not what i understand if someone says "kmail has implemented gpg/mime"
Look at mutt, evolution and other email-programs, this programs use gpg/mime "out-of-the-box" since years!
Why is it so complicated for kmail?
I hope that in the future i will be able to simply install gnupg and kmail and kmail will really use out-of-the-box gpg/mime as default method for signing and encrypting mails and not the inline method.
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Anonymous on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @08:31
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How about using a distribution which provides a proper setup to you?
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by pinky on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @09:06
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>How about using a distribution which provides a proper setup to you?
I think this would be the wrong way.
Why pgp/mime works by many other email clients?
Sure, a distribution could make the necessary steps in the howto and offers his users kmail with gpg/mime.
But i think the right way would be that kmail would offers by default gpg/mime support if gpg is installed.
Why does other mailclients uses gpg/mime with any stable gnupg versions (also older ones) and kmail need some special packages?
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Anonymous on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @09:40
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> Why pgp/mime works by many other email clients?
Because their packagers set the right dependencies and compile them with such support?
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Ingo Klöcker on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @06:02
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You have to ask the Aegypten team (http://www.gnupg.org/aegypten/) if you want to know why they preferred such a nicely modularized design. Actually, it is GnuPG which is getting much more "complicated" (because it's much more modularized). Any mailclient that wants to use GnuPG 2 will have to use it via the gpgme library because using the gpg2 executable and all the helper applications directly will be extremely difficult. That's exactly why gpgme exists (gpgme means "GnuPG Made Easy"). And, BTW, KMail doesn't need any special packages. It just needs GnuPG 2 and a recent version of gpgme. It's GnuPG 2 which needs all those other special packages.
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Ken Walker on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @22:59
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Which distro would that be? I am using Mandrake 10.1 and it has the same problems as mentioned above.
I have followed the instructions on the page mentioned above for Kmail 1.7 and have been unable to get it all to work together. I have tried, read, got help and still I am not able to use anything but the "deprecated" inling pgp. Neither OpenPGP/MIME nor S/MIME are working here. I am no guru but I have been using Linux for 4 or 5 years but the details of getting this going have me beat and I am at a dead end.
But I do love Kmail, just keep hoping this gpg stuff gets easier.
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Ingo Klöcker on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @06:12
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That would be SuSE. There it already works out-of-the-box since at least SuSE 9.0 (which included KDE 3.1).
I don't remember whether you've already asked for help on kdepim-users AT kde DOT org. If not then you might want to do this.
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by Marc Mutz on Thursday 04/Nov/2004, @14:46
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> I hope that in the future i will be able to simply install gnupg and kmail
> and kmail will really use out-of-the-box gpg/mime as default method for
> signing and encrypting mails and not the inline method.
You claim to have KMail 1.7? Go to
Configure KMail->Identity->Modify->Cryptography
and select OpenPGP/MIME as you preferred cryptographic message format. Maybe you just looked for gpg/mime (dunno where you got that term from, never seen it before). You might also like to have a look at the output from
Configure KMail->Security->Crpyto Backends->Rescan
to see if you're missing something. Oh, and of course, don't forget to start the gpg-agent, otherwise you can only sign and encrypt, but not decrypt.
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Re: kmail == Best Mail Client?
by pinky on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @05:52
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Thank you very much for this advice!
It really works!
I have always looked at Security->Crpyto Backends for pgp/mime...
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