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Re: What a pity....
by MenTaLguY on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @13:16
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We chose to fork Sodipodi because whem we made that decision we had already been Sodipodi developers for a long time and had invested a great deal of work in the codebase.
I'm sure if we had been Karbon14 developers we would have forked that instead. :) Karbon14 seems aimed in a different direction than Inkscape. For example, Inkscape emphasizes making it possible to work directly with the XML of our SVG documents when needed, and we are fairly careful to enable round-tripping of "foreign" XML fragments in our documents. I admittedly haven't looked at Karbon14 much, but it doesn't seem to be oriented towards that in the same way. That's not a failing of Karbon14, necessarily, but it is different from what we want to do.
We did consider switching to Qt early on, but it is not an option for us since we do not wish to give up our Windows port, and there is no Open Source Edition of Qt/Windows available. GTK on Windows is not great, but we've been able to get much farther with it than our Qt-based sister project Scribus has with Qt/X11 on Windows.
There's some truth to both sides of the "Should we port Linux applications to Windows?" debate, as represented in <a href="http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/pipermail/scribus/2003-November/003199.html">these</a> <a href="http://nashi.altmuehlnet.de/pipermail/scribus/2003-November/003209.html">posts</a> on the Scribus ML. IMO, one "killer app" isn't enough for people to switch operating systems. On the other hand, if most or all of the apps they use on a daily basis are also available on Linux, it suddenly becomes much easiser to switch because they don't have to relearn everything. So I think the more apps available on Windows the better, as long as you have Windows-based developers to keep the ports "alive" without unduly burdening the Linux-based ones. |
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Re: What a pity....
by open mind on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @13:40
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>>> GTK on Windows is not great, but we've been able to get much farther
>>> with it than our Qt-based sister project Scribus has with Qt/X11 on
>>> Windows
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Huh?
How is it that Scribus is a "sister" project to inkscape? From what I read off the inkscape website, inkscape strifes to be a great and standards-implementing SVG authoring tool. From what I read off the Scribus website, Scribus strifes to be a great and ass-kicking DeskTop Publishing tool (which also can export pre-press quality PDF/X-3, complying to all conceivable "standards" here).
This may make the too projects even siblings -- but it doesnt make them comparable in terms of "we got farther then them" for each one....
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Re: What a pity....
by fab on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @14:39
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Both projects work closely together
Fab
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Re: What a pity....
by cies on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @18:09
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Do they share code? Or just friendship among developers...
These projects rock!
_cies.
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Inkscape and Scribus
by MenTaLguY on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @21:57
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The Inkscape and Scribus teams do things like periodically have IRC meetings together to exchange ideas, and we work closely together on interoperability between the two apps (the obvious example being improving Scribus' SVG support).
We also share developers a little bit, though mostly folks do work on their respective sides. Most notably Peter (mrdocs) from Scribus contributes to Inkscape. There's also a standing invitation for bulia and me to spend some time working on the Scribus UI, but so far we've had our hands too full with Inkscape work.
I think we'd share code if we could. At the moment though our codebases are too different; that may change a little now that Inkscape is becoming more of a proper C++ app.
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Re: What a pity....
by MenTaLguY on Friday 05/Nov/2004, @22:14
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The only thing I was comparing here is the completeness of our respective Windows ports. Inkscape's is almost as mature as the Linux "port", whereas Scribus on Windows is (as far as I know) not really tested or used so much.
Requiring an X server (as Windows apps using Qt/X11 do) is a non-starter for many Windows users.
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Re: What a pity....
by Carewolf on Saturday 06/Nov/2004, @05:03
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Odd, I seem to recall that the Scribus developers got free Qt/Win licenses from Trolltech so they didn't need to use X11
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Re: What a pity....
by mrdocs on Saturday 06/Nov/2004, @05:16
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No, we have not.. Though we would welcome that :-)
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Get in touch
by Anonymous on Wednesday 10/Nov/2004, @08:04
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Have someone on the team contact TT and we'll work something out.
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Re: What a pity....
by anon on Sunday 07/Nov/2004, @16:43
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I think the Psi developers got that.. Trolltech periodically does that. Perhaps the Scribus developers should contact TT.
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Re: What a pity....
by mrdocs on Saturday 06/Nov/2004, @05:13
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Scribus also tries to adhere as strictly to standards as possible. SVG is a big part of that e.g. Scribus uses SVG as one of its primary means of importing vector artwork, as well as exporting SVG as compliant as possible. Small example: witness the support for dublin core metadata in both applications.
As for siblings, Its fair to say both projects are trying very very hard to become best of breed, despite the different toolkits used. Actually, choice of tool kits, except for some good natured banter and joking is rarely an issue or a problem.
We struggle with the same sorts of issues in attempting to create standards compliant output. SVG is a big and complex spec and so far no app open or proprietary has 100% perfect compliancy.
This kind of cooperation is no doubt benefital to each project *and* to end users.
We have an enormous amount of respect for the Inkscape devels and how they have managed their project. The proof is in the results.. In one short year, their progress has been remarkable.
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Re: What a pity....
by Davide Ferrari on Sunday 07/Nov/2004, @14:07
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You, mrdocs and Mentalguy, and all the rest of your teams REALLY ROCK.
Differents but equals. This is the spirit.
And obviously thanks for these great apps, I don't use Inkscape cause I do not draw graphic but from time to time I use Scribus to print something, and it's really useful.
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licenses
by Jonas B. on Thursday 11/Nov/2004, @01:05
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The PSI (psi.affinix.com) developers got free Qt licenses because their product was open source. Shouldn't the Scribus developers get the same treat?
(I guess it also requires an addition to the GPL license on the software that explicitly allows liking against Qt, just like OpenSSL requires.)
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