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RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by unknown on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @10:09

So I see the majority doesn't like the current state, and many are used to how mediawiki works.

Q: Can we switch?

- Maybe have tikiwiki and mediawiki both parallel for a time and move the content step by step? Then, I'd even care to add contents then... :)

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by Allen on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @11:20

If we are taking a vote, mine would be for switching to mediawiki.

Also, can I be assured that my content is "safe" on the new wiki machine?
Are the drives RAID5? Are there tape backups? all that good stuff?

I guess we won't be able to measure the reliability of the new machine
until we use it for awhile. The old setup was just too unreliable
and frustratingly slow. Here's hoping for a better KDE wiki!

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by Navindra Umanee on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @12:33

Yeah, the two services Dot and Wiki were really bogging the original machine down. It's a relief to now have separate hosting solutions for the two.

I think the backup situation is pretty good for the Wiki. It's taken care of by the hosting company asmallorange, as far as I know. Luci and Jason will know more.

I wouldn't expect the Wiki to be switching to MediaWiki any time soon, if ever, if I were you guys. Not having used TikiWiki myself, what's so bad about it? The look is something that can be solved I assume, so that really shouldn't be a big deal.

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by ac on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @13:34

The problem is not the look IMHO. Twiki is a pain to edit. MediaWiki feels simpler, and most people are used to it (since it is more popular, and used on wikipedia.org)

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by Jaseone on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @13:22

>Also, can I be assured that my content is "safe" on the new wiki machine?
>Are the drives RAID5? Are there tape backups? all that good stuff?

Yes you can, I'm not even attempting to managing the hosting myself but let the experts at http://asmallorange.com take care of what they are good at. They have:

# Dual Xeon servers with 2GB of RAM and SCSI hard drives (presumably with RAID5 as they don't skimp on anything else)
# Daily and weekly off-site backups
# Redhat Enterprise Linux installed for enterprise-class performance
# 99.5% uptime guarantee

And just to make you feel extra warm and fuzzy you can read about their drool inducing data center:

"A Small Orange hosts all our clients in a state of the art datacenter facility located in Dallas, Texas which offers complete redundancy in power, HVAC, fire suppression, network connectivity, and security. The datacenter facility sits atop multiple power grids driven by TXU electric, with PowerWare UPS battery backup power and dual power generators onsite. The HVAC systems are a combination of glycol, chilled water, and condenser units by Data Aire to provide redundancy in cooling coupled with 8 managed backbone providers. Twelve more third party backbone providers are available in the building via cross connect. Fire suppression includes a pre-action dry pipe system including VESDA (Very Early Smoke Detection Apparatus) with over 600 smoke detectors. Needless to say, with these sorts of facilities, you can rest assured that your website is in good hands."

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by Allen on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @13:47

Warm, Fuzzy.
Thanks for the info.

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by Anonymous on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @13:40

> Are the drives RAID5? Are there tape backups? all that good stuff?

Funny that you are requesting that for the Wiki when it doesn't exist for more important KDE servers like cvs.kde.org afaik.

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by Allen on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @14:06

If we were discussing other KDE servers I'd voice the appropriate concern.

In the case of the CVS server I'm not as concerned because of the
distributed nature of the data, and because content I create/modify
lives under my control and then is transfered upstream. I hate
it when I am give my content directly -- as in the case of a wiki -- and
then data goes poof! And all I get for my time and work is an apology.

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by Anonymous on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @13:46

> So I see the majority doesn't like the current state

The Wiki will for sure not change its software because of some random (did you contribute, will you ever?) and anonymous postings of MediaWiki fanboys to the dot.

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by MK on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @14:13

What about a poll on the kde-wiki then?

It would be interesting what the majority of the existing editors says about a change. I have edited kde-wiki in the past, but stopped mostly because it looks too confusing for me and because I am not happy with the syntax--I sometimes edit wikipedia articles (from time to time even the KDE ones). IIRC Luci is a tikiwiki developer thus convincing him to switch would be kind of hard ;-)

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by Anonymous on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @14:59

> IIRC Luci is a tikiwiki developer thus convincing him to switch would be kind of hard ;-)

So you would prefer to fire him and find a new Wiki admin?

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by MK on Wednesday 09/Mar/2005, @15:28

No, I suggested allowing a vote on the current wiki to let the editors decide. I just pointed out that in case of a majority voting for mediawiki this would probably not please Luci for obvious reasons. This discussion is just about the wiki engine _not_ about persons. And to make this very clear (again): Luci is doing a great job -- thanks a lot!

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Re: RFC: switch to MediaWiki!
by David on Thursday 10/Mar/2005, @06:04

I can assure you that Luci and Navindra are doing a fabulous job to keep this stuff up and running for us all.

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