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Not stable
by AC on Tuesday 19/Apr/2005, @21:42
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Quanta seems really good at first but I never been able to use it seriously because it crashed every times I tryed to work with.
I fill bug reports when I can but the most I can do to help now is to suggest making the app stable before adding new features.
Am I the only one who think quanta isnt stable enough? |
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Re: Not stable
by Andras Mantia on Tuesday 19/Apr/2005, @23:54
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Some version (especially 3.2.x) were indeed a little unstable, but 3.3.x and 3.4.0 should be much more stable (aside of some strange bug regarding the cvsservice usage which happens only in binary packages, not if you compile from source).
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Re: Not stable
by Kristo on Wednesday 20/Apr/2005, @00:20
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Here same problem. Some version working (when quanta starting) well and latest version I can't use. crash, crash. But Kate is too nice :) Bad taht crashing some syntax highlighting.
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Re: Not stable
by Andras Mantia on Wednesday 20/Apr/2005, @02:36
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If it's crashes like in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102996 you don't need to report, but read my previous comment and the comments for that bug.
In other cases you SHOULD report the crashes, otherwise we cannot fix them.
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Re: Not stable, VPL crasher
by Rex Dieter on Wednesday 20/Apr/2005, @07:32
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How about this one, Re: VPL crashes
http://bugs.kde.org/99826
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Re: Not stable, VPL crasher
by Andras Mantia on Wednesday 20/Apr/2005, @07:49
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Well, as you could see we (Paulo) are working on it.
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Re: Not stable, VPL crasher
by Paulo Moura Guedes on Wednesday 20/Apr/2005, @14:53
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We're working on it, though it's a little difficult because I can't reproduce it. I would appreciate if people could tell me other dists where it occurs besides Gentoo.
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Re: Not stable, VPL crasher
by Rex Dieter on Thursday 21/Apr/2005, @05:52
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I would appreciate if people could tell me other dists where it occurs besides Gentoo.
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Fedora Core 3, Red Hat Enterprise 4 both exhibit the bad behavior. However, RedHat 9, Red Hat Enterprise 3 are fine.
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Re: Not stable
by Eric Laffoon on Thursday 21/Apr/2005, @22:25
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I think if people saying this could actually get perspective they would see the sad humor in such statements. First of all stability in general... People assume because computers are based on logic that they will operate with certainty and consistency rather than inconsistent and uncertain. The first thing you have to ask yourself is this. Do you believe the developers are happy producing a wonderful interface that runs like crap? Seems illogical, right? In fact Quanta almost never crashes for me, and I run the development version.
Most instability I observe is introduced in packaging issues. In particular it is easy to encounter binary issues where programs may run, but run terribly. Some packagers hack up the source a fair amount and introduce problems in the process. Also there have been more than a few releases made of Quanta which were not our official release, or where a bug was found and there was a re-release in days that was not picked up. In addition to this people can have entire systems full of cruft causing problems by hacking things together where configuration and package management fails to adequately manage. Finally there are cases where what a user may do will encounter a bug that the developers don't because of the complexity of the program. These bugs we really need to hear about. Packaging bugs are a pain that we can't fix, but if you can't be sure if it is packaging it's better to report it.
> I fill bug reports when I can but the most I can do to help now is to suggest making the app stable before adding new features.
Here's the facts. I sponsor Andras full time to work on Quanta and he keeps it with one of the lowest bug counts of any application in KDE. During every release cycle roughly 1/3 of our anticipated features fails to get done because we are spending time fixing bugs. Your suggestion may be logical but it's not taking the facts into account. The bugs that are not fixed either are not introduced by us or are simply unknown to us.
> Am I the only one who think quanta isnt stable enough?
Sadly I'm sure you are not... but whether it is stable on your system or somebody else's is not solely the result of the source code. Does that make sense now? So I would say you are in a small minority as most people experience Quanta as being very stable.
I have to admit it bothers me when someone says something like this. It operates on the erroneous assumption that we will have a universal experience where too many external factors can break the best of programs. What bothers me is that it implies, however unintentionally, that the developers would intentionally, or through a lack of competence, knowingly produce junk. I doubt you intended to imply that and you should know is that this is not only illogical but not true. Having said that you should know that it is very important to us that you have a good user experience because we are proud of our project. So please help us to root out the problems we can fix and encourage packagers to do likewise.
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