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no packages == no go
by JelleB on Friday 29/Apr/2005, @08:53
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This is the umptieth tutorial aimed at beginners that suggests installing software from source. When will the world realise that installing from source is very bad from a maintainace point of view? Do you want all those users to reinstall -à la windows- every year or so? installing from source does not provide easy upgrades, dependency maintainance and removal. You will have to do it all manually yourself.
That itch is the reason package management was developed. Just ask kpackage, synaptic, apt or yum to install the software you want, and you are done. No hassle trying to hunt down the correct libraries or breaking other applications.
Now what if a program has not been packaged for your distro yet? Well... maybe you are wanting too much. In the case of this program: it is at version 0.2 or something: not really stable software if you can judge from the version number. So it is no wonder really it has not been packaged yet. Their homepage does not even mention packages! So unless you want to be a developer of said package, are prepared to clean up the mess it makes, steer clear of it.
Just my grumpy 2 cents worth.
(and no, not installiong this stuff, although I use Quanta and php regularly) |
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Re: no packages == no go
by Tom on Saturday 30/Apr/2005, @01:44
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What are you talking about?
If you would have tried it you would see that you don't need to compile anything. All you need to do is to download the archive, extract it and copy a directory to the right place. There are no dependencies because you don't download a program - it's just a bunch of PHP scripts in a directory that need to be placed in you web root.
"it is at version 0.2 or something: not really stable software if you can judge from the version number"
The low version number does not mean that it's not stable. If you want to give your opinion about something please at least give it a try!
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Re: no packages == no go
by JelleB on Saturday 30/Apr/2005, @11:48
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well maybe this one is not chanting the ./configure && make && make install mantra. But it is software, right? Would you say that the are some sorts of software that does not need to be installed with a package manager?
Personally I think not. As they admid themselves, it is a security risk to put this sofware in a publically accesible webroot. So you need to have an intelligent install script that put is somewhere usable but safe, and changes some seting in the webserver to make it safe.
As for the version number: it clearly signals "not yet ready" to me.
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Re: no packages == no go
by Tom on Sunday 01/May/2005, @14:58
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"not yet ready" != "not stable"
Normally you don't debug scripts on your production server. It will never be complety safe to do this, no matter if you install it by hand or with "packet management" but don't you think it is more safe to do this by hand where you have to think about what you are doing?
Normally you debug on your local developement machine while developing...
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Re: no packages == no go
by Evan "JabberWokky" E. on Wednesday 04/May/2005, @07:27
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This is for developers to use as a tool to edit and debug PHP code. Written in PHP. Provided as PHP code.
Is giving *developers* a tool that is only useful for active editing of code and is provided in the same format as their projects now undesirable?
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