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Re: and Jabber ?
by Carsten Niehaus on Saturday 21/May/2005, @07:56

I don't use Jabber because
a) I somehow never figured out how to use it
b) ICQ always worked for me
c) all my friends only use ICQ

Why should I use Jabber? If you give me a good reason I might even use it but as of now I have no reason to use it...

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Re: and Jabber ?
by Pat on Saturday 21/May/2005, @08:08

I think what he meant was that we should use it because it's FLOSS (free libre open source softawre).
The problem is that unlike operating system, DEs, mail clients etc... You need your friends to be using the same IM protocol. So using Jabber can be useless if you don't know anybody willing to switch

In a perfect world, all IM clients would be using the same protocol just like with other internet applications http, smtp,imap etc). Unfortunately it seems like the big ones (MS,AOL,Yahoo!) never really understood the way internet works or rather they did understand but never wanted it this way :-(

If it was up to MS we would all have to use Outlook (or some outlook clone using reverse engineered outlook private protocol) to get our mail :)

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Re: and Jabber ?
by Carsten Niehaus on Saturday 21/May/2005, @11:01

I totally agree that all should switch to Jabber as it is free and of course as it could be the RFC which defines a standard just like mails are based on RFC and so on.
But you say there is no Jabber->ICQ-Bridge or something so that I would use Jabber but my friend could still see me somehow? That way *I* would get the free thing but don't have any regressions.

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Re: and Jabber ?
by Pat on Saturday 21/May/2005, @13:32

>>But you say there is no Jabber->ICQ-Bridge or something so that I would use Jabber but my friend could still see me somehow? That way *I* would get the free thing but don't have any regressions.

Yes there are, well sort of. These are called gateaways. The problem is that you still need an ICQ number to use it. here is how you can do it:

1)create a jabber account with kopete, chose a server such as jabber-hispano.org that propose such services
2)get online
3)right click on your jabber account icon and then click Services... in the context menu
4)click on the button "Query server"
5)double click on Transporte ICQ and enter your number and pass

that should be it

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Re: and Jabber ?
by tigloo on Sunday 22/May/2005, @04:09

Most servers allow subscriptions to their transports from foreign servers, so you can have your Jabber account for example on jabber.org and use the transport at amessage.de or jabber-hispano.org.

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Re: and Jabber ?
by Joergen Ramskov on Sunday 22/May/2005, @04:57

That's how I use it, I have friends on both ICQ and MSN which I chat with through the gateways on jabbernet.dk. Been using it for quite a while and it's been very stable.

I use Psi instead of Kopete though. So far, it just fits me better than Kopete. I can't really remember why, but I think one of the things were the logging functionality in Psi.

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Re: and Jabber ?
by ste on Sunday 22/May/2005, @05:19

Others did already answer, I will try to give you some other reasons to switch:

- Jabber is already an IETF protocol with official RFCs; look here http://www.jabber.org/protocol/ and here http://www.xmpp.org/
- since jabber is an open protocol it works just like email [on the server side]: everyone can set up its own servers [http://www.jabber.org/network/], with proprietary protocols all your packets are going through AIM/MSN/Yahoo servers and you really don't know what's happening and what they do with your msgs....
- you can setup a private/secure network with friends using SSL
- Apple now supports jabber in his client apps [iChat] and in his server ... more jabber users are coming...

there are more reasons of course... ;-)

ciao

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