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Not surprising
by SuSE_User on Tuesday 05/Jul/2005, @20:35
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Lots of European cities and governmental agencies seem to be switching to Linux these days. Most use KDE rather than Gnome as the DE, so I'd imagine WEINUX would be no different. Adoption seems to be forthcoming in the US, but a little slower. Linux in the US has the aura of geekdom and difficulty for the average Joe. Some is true, but especially since good DEs like KDE present a logical, familiar, and easy-to-use GUI, a lot of the old "everything has to be done in the terminal" can be gone if you want it to.
WHY they are switching from Windows to Linux is the real question for us here. Not wanting to pay royalties to a foreign country (or at all?) Stability? To simply make a statement? What do you think? I'm asking a polite question... |
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Re: Not surprising
by Anonymous on Tuesday 05/Jul/2005, @20:52
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I think all those reasons you make + freedom to change and control the code. Norway, for instance, has put its foot down on closed formats. I think that makes a lot of sense not just for Norway but for everyone. Should a company really be using a proprietary format to store company information or secrets in?
Who knows what's going on with the proprietary format, it could be storing more information than you know and on the other hand one day you might find yourself unable to access your data in a useful manner. What if Microsoft finds cause to revoke your software license and you have 100% of the company's information assets encoded in a Microsoft format? You're screwed!
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Re: Not surprising
by SuSE_User on Wednesday 06/Jul/2005, @08:02
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I didn't immediately think of the revocation of licenses = unable to retrieve files.
That WILL happen with the "Next Generation Secure Computing Base" aka Palladium if it and the Fritz chips become part of the "trusted computing" project being tossed around by Microsoft, Intel, the **AA's, and others. If they pull your authentication, you cannot and nobody else can access your files made with the programs whose licenses were revoked. It could have good uses, but I am leery of somebody else tampering around with my box. If I did something wrong, then sue me like the law says.
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Re: Not surprising
by Andy on Wednesday 06/Jul/2005, @09:57
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Hmm, don't get me wrong, but with DEs I see KDE is more for geeks and Gnome for the "ordinary employees". Most poor souls come from m$ and they want a simple and less feature-rich desktop. KDE is way to powerful for most of them to handle (I've seen a secretary going crazy looking for the menubar with osx-like style, she just didn't understand it and she's normally clever and not stupid; I guess peoples habits get damaged using m$ crap). Maybe after some month of training a switch can be considered.
yes, i've started with Gnome 1.1 myself some years ago and switched to KDE 2.0 when is was released.
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Re: Not surprising
by Paul Eggleton on Wednesday 06/Jul/2005, @18:33
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In a workplace, if being "too powerful" is a problem, that's when the administrator steps in and disables/locks out functions that are not desired. KDE provides the means to do this with fully customisable toolbars/menus and the Kiosk framework.
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Re: Not surprising
by cm on Wednesday 06/Jul/2005, @22:49
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> Most poor souls come from m$
Well, forum trolls keep asserting that KDE was a Windows clone and that's why they don't use it. If you took that face value that would mean that KDE was actually the better DE for "ordinary employees" switching from Windows.
And no, KDE is not just a clone.
> and they want a simple and less feature-rich desktop.
If that were true (*) it could be done by not installing so much software (a much underestimated concept! ;-) and by using the kiosk framework. I doubt the Vienna staff will get to see the full array of educational, development and multimedia software, and all the options.
(*): I doubt especially the "less feature-rich" part, many of KDE's cool features (e.g. mini-CLI via Alt-F2, IO slaves, mouse gestures for the whole desktop and its apps, ...) are hidden and thus don't get in the way of someone who does not use them.
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Re: Not surprising
by Morty on Thursday 07/Jul/2005, @02:12
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I always find it strange that people keeps claiming things like that Gnome are more for the "ordinary employees". I guess it's some kind of PR spin from the Gnome camp that have caught on, and people keeps on pushing it. It's pretty stange, since close to all the Linux distributions aimed at the newbies and the ones consider most user friendly and easy to install, all are KDE based. When the companies who try to make a living selling easy to use Linux distributions all chose to use KDE, why do people still insist to claim that Gnome are better suited?
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Re: Not surprising
by Andy on Thursday 07/Jul/2005, @13:17
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I'm not from Gnome, i haven't used it since KDE 2.0. Only I everyday experience people whose systems were switched having an easier time getting used to Gnome than KDE.
For myself, I wouldn't want to work without fish:, man: or webdav: and all those little helpers like Klipper or SuperKaramba. And don't forget about Kontact, although its useful with Gnome too (since Evolution is, well..., somewhat... ugly *duckandcover*).
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Re: Not surprising
by something on Friday 08/Jul/2005, @23:26
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What describes user/case like that is called "Learned Helplessness".
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Re: Not surprising
by Dev on Wednesday 06/Jul/2005, @10:35
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> WHY they are switching from Windows to Linux is the real question
Any sane buyer should avoid monopolists as much as possible.
In a healthy buy-situation you dictade your demands. In the monopolist situation, you are ignored.
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Re: Not surprising
by koos on Wednesday 06/Jul/2005, @10:37
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Don't forget virus attacks, ad-ware etc.
But don't underestimate sentiment. Europe, due to its long history and dense population, has a tradition of taking care of each other (whereas the US has one of pioneers, american dream). In such a tradition doesn't fit extremely wealthy people nor ghetto's. If MS was more a technological company, rather than a financial one, this wouldn't be a big issue as its now IMO.
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Re: Not surprising
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday 07/Jul/2005, @10:21
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> Lots of European cities and governmental agencies seem to be switching to Linux these days. Most use KDE rather than Gnome as the DE
This Qt Licensing crap is getting quite nasty. Have a look at:
http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=364&mode=&order=0&thold=0
So many half-truths there that i lost count.
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Re: Not surprising
by ac on Thursday 07/Jul/2005, @13:14
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No surprise really. It was some years ago Timothy R. Butler turned that site into a laughable Qt flamebait.
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