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Re: Oh no...
by Guillaume Laurent on Tuesday 13/Sep/2005, @11:58
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Yeah, and people need to settle on one single desktop, and stop making bugs in their code, etc... ain't gonna happen, in the meantime let's be a tad bit pragmatic. Python is quite well enough established for this to be a reasonable choice.
(and choosing Tcl over Python because it takes less disk space is simply asinine). |
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Re: Oh no...
by Me on Tuesday 13/Sep/2005, @12:24
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> Yeah, and people need to settle on one single desktop, and stop making bugs
> in their code, etc... ain't gonna happen, in the meantime let's be a tad bit
> pragmatic. Python is quite well enough established for this to be a
> reasonable choice.
Within one particular distro yes, it would make sense to pick one single desktop.
Besides I use Slackware, Python is a not a dependancy at all, it's there though, if you want it you can have it. But you're free not to install it if you don't need it.
> (and choosing Tcl over Python because it takes less disk space is simply
> asinine).
Religious? Anyway we'll talk about that again in a few months when another scripting language will be all the rage...
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Re: Oh no...
by Me on Tuesday 13/Sep/2005, @12:25
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> Yeah, and people need to settle on one single desktop, and stop making bugs
> in their code, etc... ain't gonna happen, in the meantime let's be a tad bit
> pragmatic. Python is quite well enough established for this to be a
> reasonable choice.
Within one particular distro yes, it would make sense to pick one single desktop.
Besides I use Slackware, Python is a not a dependancy at all, it's there though, if you want it you can have it. But you're free not to install it if you don't need it.
> (and choosing Tcl over Python because it takes less disk space is simply
> asinine).
Religious? Anyway we'll talk about that again in a few months when (yet) another scripting language will be all the rage...
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Re: Oh no...
by ac on Tuesday 13/Sep/2005, @13:10
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> Besides I use Slackware, Python is a not a dependancy at all, it's there though,
> if you want it you can have it. But you're free not to install it if you don't
> need it.
I fully agree with you.
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Re: Oh no...
by Guillaume Laurent on Tuesday 13/Sep/2005, @22:11
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> Religious?
No, I've used both, Tcl doesn't scale (in terms of lines of code) as well as Python.
> Anyway we'll talk about that again in a few months when (yet) another scripting language will be all the rage...
Oh please. There are only 3 "viable" scripting languages : Perl, Python and Ruby. Perl is thankfully fading away, Python has its quirks but is the most mature, and Ruby is gaining ground but still needs "packaging" (its libs need to be documented for instance). Even though Ruby has been around for a long time it has only received wide exposure for about three years now. When was the last time a new scripting language was actually "all the rage" ? Python is as standard as a distrib component can get, get over it.
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Re: Oh no...
by ac on Wednesday 14/Sep/2005, @00:26
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> Perl is thankfully fading away
Any values to back this up ? Perl is stronger than ever these days.
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Re: Oh no...
by Guillaume Laurent on Wednesday 14/Sep/2005, @00:36
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None whatsoever, I gladly admit this is based both on wishful thinking and random observation (I see more headlines about Python and Ruby than about Perl, and Larry Wall's "Apocalypses" about the upcoming Perl 6 are, hmm, well...).
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Re: Oh no...
by ac on Wednesday 14/Sep/2005, @00:53
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> None whatsoever, I gladly admit this is based both on wishful thinking and
> random observation (I see more headlines about Python and Ruby than about Perl.
And I keep hearing more about Ruby than Python these days so what.
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Re: Oh no...
by renox on Sunday 25/Sep/2005, @07:12
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True, even though Python is more used, Ruby is "in" those day.
Still Ruby will need more than a web framework to sustain the hype.
Anyway I fully support Guillaume in hoping that Perl will die, though it will take time it is probably more used than Python+Ruby together.
But there are troubles in the Perl world: they don't manage to make Perl6, which (IMHO!) sucks also anyway..
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Re: Oh no...
by Scott Wheeler on Thursday 15/Sep/2005, @01:09
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Perl was all the rage in the late 90s with the web boom and the widespread emergence of web apps, for which Perl was usually the language of choice. By the end of the 90s Java was eroding the high end of that market and PHP the low end. As a general purpose scripting language Python and Ruby weren't as established.
I also think that some of the shift has been due to paradigm shifts in people learning to program. Despite it being possible to do OOP with Perl, it's ugly; Perl really is just better suited for iterative programming. In the mid-90s new programmers were starting off with iterative languages, so Perl was a more natural transition.
Today, on the other hand most new programmers start with object oriented languages and learn to think in object oriented terms. As such it's natural that those people would gravitate towards object oriented scripting languages such as Ruby and Python.
(And I should note at this point that I know Perl very well and don't know Ruby or Python -- so this isn't a Python-love-fest, just something I've observed.)
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Re: Oh no...
by Me on Thursday 15/Sep/2005, @08:12
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> get over it.
Why should I?
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Re: Oh no...
by ac on Thursday 15/Sep/2005, @12:04
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Because you won't be the one to fix it anyway?
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