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Wow...
by Mark Watson on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @04:32
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Wow. It looks like a really neat idea. It could use a little polishing, for example having multiple sites to look for the download for an app. That way if one is down there wont be any problems with downloading as it will just use another one. Great job.
Take that, linspire....
Mark
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That is über-coolishness!
by ac on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @04:35
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Booaaaaaaaaah!
This is brilliant!
Reading the article first, I thought it was an April Fool's joke gone late. But then I tried it with the klik://ooo2 link -- and boy!, was I suprised. (Really nice splash screen made by the Novell artists, BTW.) This thingie runs wonderfully. I'm still wondering how they did it (not really understanding Kurt's explanations about what makes klik tick...).
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Libs?
by Adam Tulinius on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @04:40
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How would this work with libs? are they compiled into the cmg-file so there wont be any dependencies?
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Easy enough from my Grandma!
by Gary Silverman on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @04:48
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1 yr. ago I taught my 71 aged Grandma how to use Kanotix + email/KMail + webbrowsing/Konqueror. She really enjoyed it.
3 months ago she phoned my and complained: Why hadn't I told her about that easy one-click installation method of new software?!
I didnt get what she wanted to explain to me. She got angry and hang up, when I told her this was impossible...
Last month we went to visit her. She showed me how to do it. You can imagine that my jaws dropped 10+ inches. I must have displayed the most stupid face I ever made in my life.
So, yes -- klik rulez! And it was introduced to my not by this nice article, but by my beloved Grandma...
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Cool
by Joris Guisson on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @04:52
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Would it be difficult to get this working on slackware ?
This could really be interesting, instant beta testing. No need to explain people how to get the svn version of KTorrent, just klik and try it.
Btw, You have the knoppix and kanotix torrents mixed up.
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Autopackage?
by liquidat on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @04:54
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Sounds nice, but after reading the faq, http://klik.atekon.de/docs/?page=FAQ, there are still some questions open:
- Is there an update system integrated? If I can install >20 packages I am not able to look after updates, especially if I am a normal user!
- What is, if the installed version replaces an old, system wide installation? Which version will be used?
- Where is the difference to the autopackage system? What is better, was is worse?
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liquidat
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Debian
by Petteri on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @04:56
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Debian not on supported distributions lists? Sound kind of strange since all those distributions debian derivatives? Am I missing something here or what?
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Unbelievable! there's even a enlightenment package
by e17 fan on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @05:38
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I can't believe my eyes!
Just out of curiousity, I installed the klik client (very nice background info in Kurt's article, I really appriciated to read it and follow it through), and visited the mentioned openSUSE repository in .NZ to see what it had to offer.
Enlightenment poked my interest.
I run klik://enlightenment, and the popping up dialog informed me that it had discovered a SUSE 10.0 system, and it wanted to download 18 MByte of software. I confirmed, and 3 minutes later I had a georgious E17 desktop starting inside an Xnest window. All fully automatically! No installation, no configuration! I can't believe it!
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Pb with online klik store link
by Anonymous on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @06:07
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There's a problem with the online klik store link, atekon has been replaced by artekon ;)
Hope a dot editor sees that.
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Magic!
by Ellen Reitmayr on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @06:12
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Yes, your friends from OpenUsability.org really appreciate that service! We usability people sometimes have problems installing the latest developers version of an application, so we welcome smart workarounds like klik.
I've tried klik for Skype and I was amazed how easy it is to install a fully functional application - and especially how easy it is to deinstall it later: You simply delete the skype icon from your desktop. It's magic!
For single applications, klik is a real alternative to the NX technology as keyboard shortcuts, clipboard etc. work as usual. For evaluating the whole desktop, however, NX is superiour (plus klik is not yet able to deliver the whole DE, I think).
From an OpenUsability point of view, it would be cool to have klik for non-KDE applications, too :)
Thanks guys and go on developing such cool tools!
/el
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Great must be made a standard
by ra1n on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @06:58
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This is an awesome thing that for me will help a lot porting commercial apps without bothering of package building (or hating rpm-only distribution made by some vendor) but to have success this must be supported by other DEs like Gnome and xfce (and also enlightenment) ROX already supports AppDirs, so if AppDirs (or compressed AppDirs) become standard they could help a lot distributing software under linux (or BSD) especially commercial ones (which most of the times are staically linked so there are no dependencies problems)
Great work!
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mimetypes
by koos on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @07:10
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Wow, this looks great. What I missed in the description is if this also works for kpart plugins, ie. does it register mimetypes/servicetypes?
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Clean
by Anonymous on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @07:43
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It would be great also if instead of putting the application .config files into my homedir, they would be put into their own little space, maybe in the installation file itself. I really don't like having tons of .something into my homedir for every app I try.
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Gentoo
by mOrPhie on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @08:31
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Right now, it seems like gentoo isn't supported. Is there any change for gentoo to get supported?
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Excellent
by Spy Hunter on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @09:01
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This kind of thing is exactly what Linux needs. Every application should be installed this way.
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Management
by Corbin on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @10:22
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It would be nice if there was some way you could manage what things you have install (maybe though klik:/config or something?). Also I think 'klik:/' should take you to the klik page with all the downloads.
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MIME type of recipes?
by Kevin Krammer on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @10:57
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I am afraid I am not up to date with klik but when I discovered it about a year ago it was bound to the URI scheme and did't yet offer a MIME type for the recipes.
The drawback of the situation back than was that the server, or more generic the source, of the package couldn't be transported along with the recipe as the part of the klik URI where the hostname would usually be is occupied by the package name.
Being bound to the URI had also the drawback of being only accessible to browser that can be configured for additional protocols.
Its definitely a nice thing to have this easy to remember URIs additionally, though
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Does klik://plasma work?
by plasmoide on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @11:28
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Does it work if I want to install Plasma with a klik://plasma link? (Cannot test now myself, sitting in front of a WinXP box visiting my brother...)
And if there is not yet a klik package for Plasma, will Aaron "Jack-Of-All-Trades" Seigo provide one?
Will there be a CMG package of Zack Rusin's EXA drivers/X extension so I can do a simple klik://exa ?
Will klik become an integrated part of KDE 4?
Are there plans to make klik:// a full KDE KIO slave (coded in C++ instead of Shell) and with more configuration options?
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Well Done Kurt
by Segedunum on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @11:52
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I know you speak from experience with the packaging mess that NoMachine has for different versions of Linux. This is a perennial problem that *does* need to be solved.
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DCC
by Coolio on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @12:56
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I already knew about klik, and I am really excited about this way to get (not so) simple packages with one click :)
I have one question: How does this relate to the freshly announced DCC?*
I read Knoppix, Linspire, Xandros and many others have joined the DCC, so it should be easier to simply target one ..."common core" indeed. Is this correct?
If this is the case, well I'm simply amazed, think about what klick could become for the entire OSS community in the next months...
... i want klik URL's on kde-apps.org! :)
Kudos
* That's Debian Common Core, but don't tell the debian dev's ;)
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QA possibilities
by Krishna Sethuraman on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @13:22
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My big attraction to this is that with a single click, i could run last night's konsole (e.g.,) build every morning, and if there's a problem, I can file the bug *and move back to the known working version of konsole* immediately. This would close the loop on the qa process, tighten it to a single day, and make it nonintrusive to getting my work done.
This lets me 'slipstream' QA into my normal work routine -- and when I run into a serious bug, I can resume with only a minor interruption to file a bug and restart my working version of the app.
I currently run MacOSX Firefox nightlies this way. It's valuable knowing that the bugs I file are timely and relevant to the current state of development.
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Great article, great klik app!
by Beneditto on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @13:40
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I am blown away by ease of use of klik://scribus-latest
It give me Scribus-1.3.1cvs up and running on Kubuntu within 2 minute, with one click only! After I close Scribus again (I successfull printd Scribus tutorial found on kde-files.org), I am ask for feedback, but stupid I cancel the dialog, without filling it. So here is my feedback to klik inventors:
This is so revolutionary for everyone: developer, user, developer-helpers (beta-tester, translator, documentor, artist).
Didnt know about klik, but I am Knoppix user since 2 years. Great stuff!
I look around the klik website to see if they publish their feedback somehow. Discoverd it: they feed it even *live* into this page (50 latest comment):
. --> http://klik.atekon.de/comments.php
It is amazing t watch the various comments coming in now. Dunno if it was this article. Seems like a *lot* of people try it klik now.
Thank you very much for klik.
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played with it a little
by ra1n on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @14:31
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while I'm entusiast about this, I think that cmg images and AppDirs should be natively supported by kde, klik it's great, but I don't want to depend on it, I want to download a .cmg image mount it and drop my app (AppDir) where I want, like in MacOS.
Again dependencies are a problem, but it could be simple to create a way to install needed libs with AppDirs (ROX already does it)
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Brilliant!
by Paul Eggleton on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @15:51
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What a fantastic implementation of a very interesting idea! Works well here on my Gentoo system.
It might be nice if later on the disconnect between a systems' own package manager and klik could be bridged over, so the user could choose at some point to properly install the application.
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Interesting statistics
by Aurelio on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @19:30
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hi,
just to say klik is an extremely interesting technology -- just what i have wanted already a long time ago!
the klik website has an interesting statistic showing how popular each of the applications offered are (download numbers), and how successfull the users where in installation.
it is here:
http://klik.atekon.de/popular.php
Aurelio
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FUSE is coming, no more root password !
by Arnaud on Friday 16/Sep/2005, @23:25
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I don't really like the idea of modifiying /etc/fstab, so I'm looking forward to see an implementation working with FUSE (actually merged in what will become the 2.6.14 linux kernel).
That way no root access will be needed, and every app will be mountable under ~/.kde or ~/pub etc...
Anyway, klik is a very useful piece of software, congrats !
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Sounds nice, but its just a Zero Install rip off
by Guss on Saturday 17/Sep/2005, @04:09
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There's this old one: "Anyone who doesn't know Unix is doomed to re-invent it, badly."
Same can be said for Zero Install. I've see quite a few idea on that path (AppDirs, fat binaries, auto package, auto installers) and none can hold a candle to Zero Install (http://zero-install.sourceforge.net).
It basically offers everything that "klik" offers above and also includes:
* Bundling libraries (so you don't have to worry about supported distros)
* Managing library versions (avoids DLL hell)
* Auto-updates software versions as required
* cross desktop support as no special "handlers" are required
* Downloads are cached across the system (multiple users don't need to download the same program multiple times)
It also offers some interesting security features. I do suggest that people start to do some research before duplicating efforts.
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P2P
by Iuri Fiedoruk on Saturday 17/Sep/2005, @05:31
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If I got it right, when clicking on a lick link, you will download the apps, and it will be saved in your desktop and you will be able to run it without installing, right?
If that's the case, it's a good idea to integrate a p2p network on it, such as bittorrent, so that once it's popular, the servers aren't down because of too much people downloading, or you start getting problems of connection. It would be nive to kind of force people using p2p in this case.
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Why mount image files?
by Me on Saturday 17/Sep/2005, @06:54
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The idea is good. But I don't get why you need to mount an image to run an app, it could work just as well with a normal directory, say a MyApp.app directory which would be automatically recognized as an application, and no overhead of mounting an image file.
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autopackage
by Aranea on Saturday 17/Sep/2005, @07:36
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when you look at the autopackage vision, the "vision" is almost the same, the implementation was bullied by several persons. Klik makes only sense when it is available and working on all major distributions.
http://autopackage.org/ui-vision.html
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klik://KDE 3.5 svn
by fast_rizwaan on Saturday 17/Sep/2005, @07:38
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friend Kurt Pfeifle, you have really made some good point. klik is the answer to the Linux Package Hell!!! Linux Standard Base must include klik for package management. (we need to improve klik for Global and local (user) software installation).
Also if klik could do installation from source like in BSD then it would be the standard package management tool for GNU/Linux OS! Thank you.
I'm tired of running kdesvn-build to get one or more errors to beta test kde 3.5.
it takes around 2 days to compile the whole KDE 3.5 svn, and most of the time kdenetwork, kdelibs, kdebase, or extragear stuff get errors.
Now, with klik life of kde users like me who would like to test and enjoy latest kde 3.5 (or kde 4.x) would become easy.
Please consider klik://kde_3.5_latest, so that it becomes easier.
non-kde packages get installed in slackware nicely.
ktorrent shows libqt-mt.so.3 is not found. (but i have my custom compiled qt-copy with kde 3.5svn).
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Can you imagine...
by me on Saturday 17/Sep/2005, @07:40
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Can you imagine that this is what I'm doing on windows since, what?, 10 years. The installation of application under Linux is probably the only thing that refrains me from using it. I really wish success for that king of approch.
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Just one thing
by Starfish on Saturday 17/Sep/2005, @07:51
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Thank you... *sigh* I think I'm going to cry...
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amd64, etc. support?
by Troy Unrau on Saturday 17/Sep/2005, @11:04
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Are the repositories x86 specific? If I'm on an amd64 system, can I reasonably except many of the links to work? I'm assuming that a 64bit cmg file would work fine once compiled into the cmg, however I cannot tell what architecture the cmg file contains at first glance...
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not quite
by a on Sunday 18/Sep/2005, @01:47
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Unlike Mac OSX, you have to use specific protocol klik://
which checks for libs on your computer and creates files.
I might be wrong, though.
Since I cant go on internet in Linux it is useless for me.
But if someone finds this great, then well... great.
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Please support Slackware!!!
by fast_rizwaan on Sunday 18/Sep/2005, @09:02
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If you don't support Slackware and other popular distros like fedora core, Mandriva, then you are doing great unjustice to them.
You have added support for OpenSUSE, why? Is openSuSe a debian based distro? I guess not.
btw, many applications work with slackware, so you can (and you must) support non-debian distro alike.
when installing some software, klik can get libraries from slackware ftp mirrors.
Also how do I make a .cmg file for say slackware (i would compile with ./configure --enable-static) so that it would work on other systems too?
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equals to Java WebStart
by Felipe Gaúcho on Sunday 18/Sep/2005, @12:57
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The klik seems very similar to WebStart, insn´t it ?
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hopefully klik-apps are run in a secure sandbox?
by gcf on Sunday 18/Sep/2005, @22:43
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Really - what we dont need is another Windows-Thingy.
All those thoughtless users that install anything they can do with a single click is the real problem of Windows itself.
Be i paranoid? I mount all my rw-partitions with noexec (and would even disallow source script.sh but dont know how for myself at my own box).
Reason: all the buffer overruns discovered in the last months.
It is just a matter of time that a virus is distributed that erases your home-partion, with a single klick...
Thats why i say: those apps should be run in a sandbox with read-only-rights at least.
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Debian Stable? Dependendies
by Michael Ramendik on Monday 19/Sep/2005, @01:15
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Is there a way to make klik work on Debian stable (sarge)? This would be The Thing for stable on the desktop; just klik-install bleeding edge desktop stuff, and remove it if it breaks things, while the core system remains rock solid. But if it depends on new stuff in ubuntu etc, then it won't work...
Anyway, how does klik handle the dependency issue? Does every app include its libraries? Or is there a predefined set of versions which klikified apps are compiled against?
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Downloading on another machine?
by Michael Ramendik on Monday 19/Sep/2005, @01:26
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Is there a way to convert a "klik://" into an ordinary URL, so I can download it on another machine (with a better or cheaper network connection)? That machine may even run Windows, but it has wget.
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Can not get to http://klik.atekon.de
by Chris Parker on Monday 19/Sep/2005, @11:54
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The site does not work for me.
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what about virus
by worm on Monday 19/Sep/2005, @12:47
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What about virus, worms etc and destruction of ~/ and so on?
Can this can be a new super-tool to make Linux as virus infested as Windows is now?
Please tell me I am wrong (and why)!
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http://klik.atekon.de/ OFFLINE
by Neto Cury on Tuesday 20/Sep/2005, @18:37
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The website is offline, any alternative?
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DOMAIN DOES NOT RESOVE : KLIK DOES NOT WORK
by chris on Wednesday 21/Sep/2005, @07:14
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the komplete KLIK thing does not work for me because the DOMAIN does not resolve. this is very very sag because everybody who tries this klik thing will stop to use it because it wont work... :-( :-(
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Solution to dns problem found at #klik (freenode)
by dan on Thursday 22/Sep/2005, @10:36
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Here's the solution
Add '134.169.172.48 klik.atekon.de' to your /etc/hosts file.
Remember to remove it once the dns problem is solved.
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Nice try but hardly new
by Anselm Lingnau on Thursday 22/Sep/2005, @11:33
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This looks mildly interesting but is hardly something to get too excited about. The same functionality (and then some) has been available in the Tcl/Tk community literally for *years* -- check out »starkits« on the Tcl/Tk Wiki at http://wiki.tcl.tk . A starkit is a Tcl/Tk program, including any required extensions, in a single file, and can be platform-independent (i.e., the same, identical starkit runs on Linux, Windows and the Mac), store its own configuration settings, and self-update from the Internet.
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