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Thank you, Inge. I'm sure this will help.
by manyoso on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @06:12
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I am sure that Mr. Yates will be greatly reassured and uplifted by your letter. Hopefully, this will assuage the horrible anxiety Microsoft has suffered and continues to suffer, in the wake of this OpenDocument announcement, for it's good friend... the honorable State of Massachusetts.
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It's Final - MA Goes With Open Document
by Haakon Nilsen on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @06:39
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As you may have heard, Massachusetts yesterday made its final decision to standardize on the OpenDocument format for all productivity applications. Check out http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050923142231938 for some comments.
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Reply to Mr Yates
by Gerry on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @07:39
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The approach you rebut here seems rather tired - haven't we all been here before? (e.g., http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/19/ms_in_peruvian_opensource_nightmare/).
Does anyone who isn't a fanboy react any differently to the way journalists did here? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/16/msoft_newham_10yr_deal/
Indeed, the penny is beginning to drop in ordinary society http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/insideit/story/0,13270,1550922,00.html
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Opendocument
by gerd on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @08:52
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The intresting issue is: What will it take to convince Microsoft to support Opendocument?
If we attack on all levels and fora in lobbying it must be possible to convince politicians of Opendocument.
But: do we have an advocacy paper?
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German blog post
by AC on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @09:00
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http://www.netzpolitik.org/2005/microsoft-ubt-kritik-an-opendocument/
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Letter to Massachusetts
by Ivor Hewitt on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @09:07
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Perhaps there should also be a letter to the fine people of Massachusetts congratulating them on their decision and letting them know all about KWord and letting them know of its Open Document support... perhaps someone over there could present them with a box full of Kubunty CD's ?
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Textmak import OpenDocument also
by Anony Maus on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @09:13
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The newest version of Textmake from Softmaker http://www.softmaker.de at least can import OpenDocument format and as far as I know they will fully support it in future versions.
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It's a political issue...
by Lochball on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @09:32
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This seems to be a political issue initiated from the Commonwealth of Masssachusetts probably to gain more freedom of selecting more than one software product for the future for governmental work and obligations. The right and only way in my opinion...
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MS will just support OpenDocument =)
by Zero on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @09:48
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That's an easy task for them. Just one month worth of work. They'll feature discriminate; when selling to Mass, they offer that to them, when selling to everyone else, it would just be Office 12 format only. Unless all of US and Europe decide to mandate this. Then, hehee, Microsoft will be forced to support OpenDocument as a default standard. =)
Another tactic Microsoft would take is to attack the inferiority of OpenDocument, that it didn't include advanced features in today's office productivity. This may be their only strong point.
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heh
by me on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @10:56
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Marketing koffice to MS.. I hope his response will also be posted here (if any)
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The terrible injustice
by Daniel on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @11:44
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I am also concerned by the fact that OpenDocument's only representative on Windows is OpenOffice. Together with microsoft, I find it terribly unjust that we are sort of forced to use the only one available fully-featured application for creation of the OpenDocument documents.
I hope Microsoft will correct this terrible injustice by implementing OpenDocument support into its Office line.
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Remember this?
by George Staikos on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @12:43
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http://dot.kde.org/1069632528/
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Moving to Windows??
by Vlad Grigorescu on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @15:15
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First off, excellent letter. Secondly, sorry if I'm a little behind the times here, but KOffice is moving to Windows? Does this mean that it will lose most of it's KDE functions (DCOP, for instance) and be ported? What about QT?
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What Ms is working on
by gerd on Saturday 24/Sep/2005, @16:26
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some nice developer's insights of microsoft:
Outlook Express to be renamed windows Mail, finally adds spam filter / Video
http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=116711
sharepoint
http://www.sharepointblogs.com/dustin/archive/2005/09/14/3503.aspx
Screenshots of Office 12
http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
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Wikipedia
by jmfayard on Sunday 25/Sep/2005, @05:22
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Great news.
OpenDocument is a major opportunity for KDE. If you have some time available, consider writing a bit about it on Wikipedia in your mother language. We actually have :
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument (very complete)
* http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument (complete, my humble contribution)
* http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument (not too bad, but need some updates)
* http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
* http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
* Nothing in other languages
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To make a point
by Chris on Sunday 25/Sep/2005, @11:14
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Just some clarification for the first poster.
Quote: "the honorable State of Massachusetts."
Massachusetts is actually a Commonwealth.
-C
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koffice maybe ...
by scot on Sunday 25/Sep/2005, @11:30
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in practice there are not many if any OpenDocument applications that are out of beta that run natively on OSX or Windows.
OpenOffice will be out soon-ish, but koffice still wont run natively on windows or MacOS. (where MS office does now).
Alan might have a fleeting point as of right now.
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Codebase? Who Cares?
by Todd on Sunday 25/Sep/2005, @14:22
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Besides, what does having the same codebase have to do with it? The worry is having the same company or organization control all the programs able to use Open Document. If Star Office, Open Office, KOffice and IBM Workplace were all owned by one company, that would be something to worry about. And even then, the Open Document format is still open. Someone could still make a new program to read and write it.
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Crap!
by Gogo on Sunday 25/Sep/2005, @22:20
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This is all crap... Koffice is the most what? Me cago de la risa! Come on! be serious!
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Forget M$
by some guy on Monday 26/Sep/2005, @20:53
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I thought the letter was just fine. I especially liked the line: koffice will likely run on windows as well. Kind of like "we're coming in your yard too, Billy boy!"
Honestly, I've been operating free of Microshaft software for years now; the only reason I ever use it is out of necessity- compatibility issues with a law office that uses Word Imperfect, which no longer runs on Linux.
Let's face it: Microsoft and the open source community are exact opposites anymore. Open source developers generally have one interest in mind: getting the product to a usable state and getting it out where folks can use it. Microsoft has slightly more complicated motives: making a lot of money, selling advertising space on bundled PCs (you should have seen the load of ads that popped up the first time I booted this machine, before I FORMATTED the hard drive!) and policing and controlling at every turn how "their" software is sold, bought, used and even disposed of. And if you don't do it right, watch out. If this were a less free society, each person even accused of pirating Microsoft software might be thrown in the Lubyanka or something. Honestly, I get sick of hearing the views of big corporate bullies on the state of open source.
One thing that I can actually imagine Microsoft developers having pioneered would be the rigid piracy countermeasures embedded in the software. Heaven forbid that intellectual property should be shared as freely as speech, of which it is only really another form.
(If anyone reading this works at any of the above mentioned establishments, equal commiserations in any case.)
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M$ panicking just for OpenDocument, image KDE 4
by NS on Monday 26/Sep/2005, @22:28
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M$ is panicking and worried about OpenDocument, just image the release of KDE4 (before MS Vista) with KOffice that runs in Windows as well. Then averages users will wonder why in fews months why they are still using Windows with KDE4, instead of Linux.
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Why not XML?
by Norman on Monday 26/Sep/2005, @23:01
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I just browsed through Yates' letter and it seemed Massachusetts had difficulties to decide between OpenDocument and XML format. Does anybody know what where the key arguments to turn down XML?
Norm
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Yes, you're right
by 9 Rich Guy on Saturday 21/Jan/2006, @15:56
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every body nows that Microsoft isn't right. you are right not him. he is crazy,
stupid etc.:))
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