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  Free Remote KDE Desktops from CosmoPOD.com
Interviews Posted by Jonathan Riddell on Saturday 29/Oct/2005, @06:36
from the something-for-nothing dept.
CosmoPOD.com offers free remote KDE desktops over NX. Anyone can sign up to have their own desktop accessible from any computer with a network connection. CosmoPOP uses KDE's Kiosk framework to ensure security for their system. To find out more about the service and why KDE was the chosen desktop, KDE Dot News spoke to the man behind CosmoPOD, Stephen Ensor. Read on for the interview.

The KDE desktop on CosmoPOD

What services does cosmopod.com offer?

CosmoPOD.com is a personal online desktop that offers 1GB of online storage, one may run CosmoPOD.com on any computer that is connected to the internet and may do all the common tasks a modern desktop has to offer. My long term vision for CosmoPOD is: one day you will walk through an airport or tube station and touch a public screen it will log you in instantly via your fingerprints and in a wink you will be on your full screen easy to use desktop, a little later your cell phone will bling and you can call up a mobile version of your same desktop and check your email IM etc. Users won't have a constant stream of popups telling them to update their systems and applications and security will be all there and up to date, if a next big thing app hits the market it will already be there for the users.

How did you get the idea for this?

I was playing with many different Linux distros for a while and was contracting at the time in London, I was e-mailing many documents between work and home and I found myself duplicating a lot of work because of the different versions. I thought a central remote desktop that I could access from anywhere would be the answer. I also recalled arriving in London and e-mailing files back and forth and trying to edit them on the internet café's computers was a nightmare. So I really wanted it for myself and thought it would be really cool if anyone in the world could have one free too. I also thought with security becoming such a big issue and most normal users just don't know how to keep their systems secure, people would want a secure place to store and do their office related work.

How many people are currently using cosmopod on a frequent basis?

Per day I get around 150 people coming on and off their desktops, around 30 new registrations, about 300 visitors to my website and serve up about 200,000 Google ads. All this has been gaining good speed and I expect this to pick up quite a lot when I start a marketing drive.

Why did you choose KDE?

Funny you ask I was actually looking to use Gnome first but after much reading and testing I found KDE to be snappier and have a smaller memory footprint, the supporting applications were mature and well integrated and Konqueror was great! But the tipping point came when I started to look into lockdown features, KDE became the clear winner with the Kiosk Admin Tool. There are a few things I would still like a fast KDE start up and KOffice is not as feature full yet as OpenOffice (which runs too slowly and takes up too much memory to be used) so that is the trade off there.

What applications does CosmoPOD's KDE offer?

CosmoPOD offers all the applications a modern desktop required, a MS compatible office suite, e-mail, browser, IM, html editors, games etc. I generally install any applications I get e-mailed by users if they are not the same as ones already installed. I don't want 5 IM clients for example.

What changes does cosmopod's set up have over a typical home user KDE setup?

The only difference is the lock down so that users cannot install their own applications and move the menus around, they also cannot access floppy and CD drives as this is now a networked desktop.

How easy was it to lock down the KDE install?

This was very easy once I discovered the Kiosk Admin Tool, installed it and it makes it pretty clear what is going on in a nice GUI, there are still a few problems with configuring the menus on different distros but otherwise it makes things very easy especially the way it handles users and groups.

Have you had any feedback on experiences of non-KDE users on this KDE desktop?

Yes and no. People are always very happy with the service and it's been great having such keen feedback, I don't get much discussion from the users regarding what technology is being used. They are generally non-techie and just use it and the applications on it. I think locking stuff up helps so the users don't remove their taskbars, menus and buttons, KDE is great in that the K applications are quick and well integrated into the desktop. I try and keep application choice down to a minimum so as not to confuse users and have a few ideas to simplify things further in the future.

How do you pay for the service?

I keep a bit of real estate on the right hand side of the screen where I serve up Google ads soon to be based on what the user is reading similar to Gmail. Before I started with setting up the service i did many spreadsheets and forecasts to see if the model held and it does quite well, I don't yet have the contextual thing going yet but it is in the pipe line. We are also exploring putting branding images inside windows and menus.

What sort of hardware does this run on?

Very standard and cheap x86, we are looking into renting processing power as there are certain times when we spike but that is a while away.



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Wow.
by Matthias Welwarsky on Saturday 29/Oct/2005, @06:59
what else is there to say?
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Nice Success Story for KDE and... NoMachine
by Kurt Pfeifle on Saturday 29/Oct/2005, @08:14
This is indeed really good news to hear! It shows how well thought out and implemented the KDE architecture is.

I found it astonishing to learn from Stephen's answers that there are mainly "non-techie" users so far which have subscribed to this service.

However, one thing should be corrected: the interview's introductionary sentences link to the FreeNX website. But in fact, CosmoPOD seems to use not FreeNX, but an *Evaluation* license of the commercial NoMachine NX server.

(Even if they used FreeNX, they'd still be using NX code that is 99% from the NoMachine labs. FreeNX is "only" a very thin layer of code gluing together the GPL'd parts of the NX Core libs and utilities which were created by NoMachine).

Cheers,
Kurt [FreeNX Team]
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Connection to X server cannot be established
by Fast_Rizwaan on Saturday 29/Oct/2005, @09:45
I registered, downloaded the applet, Authenticated but i get this funny error "Connection to X server cannot be established."

What could be the problem?
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Great news, but the server is going to be full
by Henrique Marks on Saturday 29/Oct/2005, @09:49
Now that the news are published, the server will be full forever. But this is a first glimpse of the future. Why do you need web services, if you can have desktop services ?

Thanks for the server.
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Optional paid service ?
by MandrakeUser on Saturday 29/Oct/2005, @14:28
I wonder if they have in mind giving an optional paid registration with no ads, and where you can buy extra space/bandwidth as needed ... it would be good I would think !
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KDE-Dotted!
by Matt Smith on Saturday 29/Oct/2005, @17:00
When I clicked on the cosmopod.com link, I got a message saying the service was unavailable. I suspect the added traffic has clogged up their server - it's been KDE-Dotted! Give it time. (I'll be blogging it myself.)
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Well, the marketing drive worked
by Ryan on Saturday 29/Oct/2005, @18:10
I hope that the guy who made this thing work (or not for most of us who cannot connect) will expand his service to allow more people to use it. I cannot wait to try it out.
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login
by no name on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @02:11
Does anybody had an successful login?

no name
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anybody successfully logged in ?
by no name on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @02:12
just a question. I did not have luck.

no name
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testdrive
by Peter Robins on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @02:19
if all you want to do is try the technology, nomachine run a test facility http://www.nomachine.com/testdrive.php where you can use a kde desktop remotely (on a server in Italy) for a week to try things out.

IMHO cosmopod needs to change its setup. At the moment there is no incentive for anyone, once logged on, to log off again. ISTM there'll have to be charges on an hourly basis or whatever.

Makes you think though, dunnit? Do I actually need a local desktop, or can I run most/everything on a central server accessible from anywhere with an internet connection and an nxclient?
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From CosmoPOD
by Stephen Ensor on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @05:05
Thanks for the nice comments, regarding the logon issues I am working on them I am just having huge amounts of people registering at the moment.
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Good Inital Idea
by noname on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @10:26
This will be a great service for some users. However, the problem with this service is the access method. I won't be able to install the NX client on all systems such as airport terminals. But all of these devices have one thing in common - they have a web browser.
I think access to a desktop from the browser w/o having to install custom software is what would really provide for a pervasive platorm.
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auth filed
by dirm on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @12:39
followed instructions,

authentification failed when trying to connect to cosmopod.com on port 443 for the unix kde ...


:| aww man
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NX on usb stick
by GOAN on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @14:23
Didn't try yet, but Nomachine claims the nxclient can be installed on a usbstick and can as such be used on different computers.

Great software, I use it to surf safe at home : run an encrypted session from wireless laptop on home desktop.
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Connection timed out
by bakalao2k on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @14:55
I'm trying to connect from the office. Is this the reason why I can't connect? I will try to connect from home with my DSL connection.

Display Type Session ID Options Depth Screen Status Session Name
------- ---------------- -------------------------------- -------- ----- -------------- ----------- ------------------------------

NX> 148 Server capacity: not reached for user: bakalao2k
NX> 105 Start session with: --session="cosmopod.com" --type="unix-kde" --cache="8M" --images="32M" --link="lan" --kbtype="pc102\057en_US" --nodelay="1" --encryption="1" --backingstore="never" --geometry="800x600" --media="0" --agent_server="" --agent_user="" --agent_password="" --agent_domain="" --screeninfo="800x600x16+render"
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I have something better
by PR on Sunday 30/Oct/2005, @20:11
I provide a full free e-mail service with 100 Gb mail box, remote KDE desktop with all applications needed with 250 Gb remote home directory etc. over NX.

There is a little problem: nobody can connect to my server and never will be able to do so.

But, it is a good idea, isn't it?

Idiots who advertise for a service or a feature they can't provide. And I am a idiot who downloaded a thing and losted two hours of my precious time trying to connect.
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Sorry about the login problems
by Stephen Ensor on Monday 31/Oct/2005, @02:14
I know it must be very frustration with the login problems but we are addressing the problem and getting together some big iron to make the service something really special. This is a very long term project so it is not going to be going away.
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No ad impressions from me
by raindog on Monday 31/Oct/2005, @10:43
I love KDE, but I don't use KOffice and Konqueror.... I use OpenOffice and Firefox no matter what OS or desktop I'm using.

You can say "shut up, it's free, he's being generous" but 200,000 Google Ads impressions a day isn't generosity, it's opportunity. A LOT of opportunity. And until his ad revenue buys him enough horsepower to run mainstream apps, he won't be getting any of it from me.
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Just curious.
by Curious George on Monday 31/Oct/2005, @11:23
I haven't had the opportunity to try this service yet but, I am curious about how to do certain things. For instance, how would I go about printing my Word document through this service? Also, with no access to floppies or CD-ROMs, how would I save my files beyond the 1GB that is provided? Finally, what about other peripherals such as scanners, barcode readers, memorystick readers, cameras and USB drives, are these useable with this service and if so how?
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Security from bills and ickets
by Ambrose Bierce on Monday 31/Oct/2005, @12:44
I must say, how wonderful that a locked down terminal service is available to people of the Internet. The novelty makes the mind boggle. I look especially forward to getting bills and plane tickets this way. First, since I cannot access the bills to print, I will have difficult time paying them, which is fine - I like to keep my money. Second, I cannot get a printed copy of tickets, which means I cannot leave on boring business trips anymore. Thank you, keep up the good work!
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host is down ....
by wannabe using ..... on Tuesday 01/Nov/2005, @20:59
:(
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Good product, some suggestions
by Jason Keirstead on Thursday 03/Nov/2005, @08:38
Tried out the product. I think this is a novel idea and it may really take off. Here are a few of my simple suggestions.

- Add Firefox. Konqueror is great, but it still has problems on some pages.

- Add OpenOffice. Same reason as above for KOffice.

- Install the flash plugin. Sure, some people disllike flash, but it is needed for navigation on many sites nowadays.

- It would be *super* if you were allowed to use klik:// to install apps in your userspace. I don't see how this would really be a security problem either as long as the root filesystem has restrictive permissions.

- I wish I could use KControl to change some of my personal preferences (I hate the bouncy icon mouse cursor).

That is it for now. Best of luck with the software.
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BillG. is reading the Dot!
by ac on Thursday 03/Nov/2005, @12:11
Whoever was it that said that Microsoft and Bill Gates don't care about KDE or the Dot website -- he was completely wrong. See here:

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Gates_We_re_entering_live_era_of_software/0,2000061733,39220359,00.htm

BillG. must have read this Dot article and acted promptly. ;-)
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Do it youself
by Joe Sørensen on Sunday 06/Nov/2005, @16:18
Does anyone know a good guide they would recomend about building your one FreeNX server on the internet?

I this way we can use alle the programs we want from any computer, including the memory hungry programs like OOo and firefox.
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Cosmopod gone?
by Roger Hiles on Saturday 17/Dec/2005, @07:38
Cosmopod.com does not seem to be with us any longer. Has it moved, or does anyone know what happened?
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Comsopod WHOIS registration info
by bakalao jones on Sunday 18/Dec/2005, @17:41
WHOIS Search Results for: COSMOPOD.COM


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Registrant:
stephen ensor
57 winterfold close
london sw19 6le
United Kingdom

Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: COSMOPOD.COM
Created on: 26-Aug-04
Expires on: 26-Aug-06
Last Updated on: 20-Jul-05

Administrative Contact:
ensor, stephen steve@iqula.com
57 winterfold close
london sw19 6le
United Kingdom
00247791047477
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ensor, stephen steve@iqula.com
57 winterfold close
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