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Re: I have something better
by PR on Monday 31/Oct/2005, @15:16

'I really fail to see what grounds you have for your whining, considering that the service is free.'

Whining? Service? Free? There is no service at all you idiot. People can't connect to the server. Period.

When you compile KDE you get desktop environment. That's your 'refund'. In that case you don't waste your time.

'Are these people "idiots" because they apparently offer a kic-ass service for free, and they are overwhelmed by the demand?'

Yes, they are idiots becouse they should have told us that their bandwidth is very limited and that only a few can get connection if they are lucky. They advertise on their website that everybody can get remote desktop. Which is not true.

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Re: I have something better
by Janne on Monday 31/Oct/2005, @22:18

"Whining? Service? Free? There is no service at all you idiot. People can't connect to the server. Period."

Oh I see. You feel that you are somehow entitled to this service, even though you haven't paid for it? And if you can't use it for some reason (like, because they are overwhelmed by demand), you start to bitch and moan. "I'm an user, and I demand that you give me access to this free service NOW! You have an obligation to satisfy my demands, even though I haven't given you a thing in return!". Here's a clue: You are NOT entitled to one damn thing! These people are offering a service for free. They are NOT asking for money (if they were, you might have some grounds for complaining), and you are NOT forced to use the service in the first place!

Seriously, your whining (yes, you are whining) reminds me of the cancer that plagues the free-software movement. There are people out there who develop software and give it to others for free. And if that software is less that perfect for some people, then those people start to whine that "hey idiots! This software you gave to me for free has these bugs, and this feature doesn't work! Fix it! NOW!". Same thing here: we have people here offering a voluntary service for free. And they apparently have some problems coping with the demand. And then some idiots start to complain "you idiots! You service doesn't work! You suck!". I for one applaud these people for their effort. But you apparently think that even though they give this service for free, you are entitled to make demands. Well, you are not.

"Yes, they are idiots becouse they should have told us that their bandwidth is very limited and that only a few can get connection if they are lucky. They advertise on their website that everybody can get remote desktop. Which is not true."

Uh-huh. So I guess that you have now been mortally offended because there is this free service out there that you can't use at the moment? Someone, somewhere is enjoying their remote desktop right now, for free. And because that someone is not you, you start to whine.

Like I said: this is a free service that is not forced upon you. You do not have to pay a thing to use it. I really, REALLY fail to see what grounds you have to complain about this thing. "but I losted some time trying to connect!". Well, boo-frigging-hoo! Cry me a river.

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Re: I have something better
by Ber on Tuesday 01/Nov/2005, @00:15

Though I agree that the origial poster should hav lowered his (her) voice, you are incoreect to say that a free service does not entitle anyon to anything.

'Free' as in beer should never ever mean that it is bad. Too often I hear people nagging that gimp|ooorg|evolution|inkscape will never reach the level of their commercial counterparts. We all know this is not persé true. It can be untrue, if the developers, users and designers of that appliaction or service step over that 'its free thus it does not have to be good' mentality.

Free (beer) does simply not mean it can be bad. Free (beer) ONLY meens you don't have to pay for it.

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Re: I have something better
by Janne on Tuesday 01/Nov/2005, @04:44

"Though I agree that the origial poster should hav lowered his (her) voice, you are incoreect to say that a free service does not entitle anyon to anything."

Suppose that I spend few evening whipping up some code, put in on a website and say "here, you might find this interesting, take it and use it if you want to". And then someone comes along and says "hey idiot! You code is broken! I demand that you fix it!", am I obligated to do it? Is the user entitled to working software? No. Just because I decided to give something away for free does not mean that the people who receive my gift are entitled to make demands. Sure, they can say "it would be cool if it had feature xxxxxx" or if they make simple bug-reports. But making DEMANDS is completely out of the question!

That is what is happening here. Some people decided to offer a service for free. And when there are some initial teething-problems, some people start shouting "hey idiots! Your service sucks! Fix it!". Would the whiners be happy if this service was not offered at all, free or otherwise?

I'm not saying that free software (or free anything) is automatically bad. Quite the contrary. Some of the best pieces of software are free. What I AM saying is that just because you received something for free, does not mean that you are entitled to make demands to the people who gave you that gift.

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Re: I have something better
by Jacx on Tuesday 01/Nov/2005, @23:54

"Suppose that I spend few evening whipping up some code, put in on a website and say "here, you might find this interesting, take it and use it if you want to". And then someone comes along and says "hey idiot! You code is broken! I demand that you fix it!", am I obligated to do it?"

No, but at least that someone got to /try/ the software... :-/ Cosmopod shure was quick to accept new users even though it could not hope to host them. That's the problem. 3 Days later and still no login...

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Re: I have something better
by Bobb Simul on Monday 22/May/2006, @19:22

heh, google does a good job with how it releases it's new free services...

they let you join the waiting list
and then eventually they give you a code to sign up

when they are able to (hopefully) be able to provide you with the service they are giving away...

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