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Re: Good to hear
by sd on Thursday 10/Nov/2005, @04:09

Contradicting people while you know that they won't agree qualifies you as a troll, even if you mean to sound serious.

I still can't understand why gnome people come to the dot *(the flamers, I mean, the rest are ok). Who in his serious mind goes to gnome sites to deride nautilus?

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Re: Good to hear
by Ragnarok on Thursday 10/Nov/2005, @05:41

* Contradicting people while you know that they won't agree qualifies you as a troll, even if you mean to sound serious.

Meaningless psychobabble.

* I still can't understand why gnome people come to the dot *(the flamers, I mean, the rest are ok). Who in his serious mind goes to gnome sites to deride nautilus?

KDE has a reputation (well deserved) for sending out its flying monkey hordes to attack anyone who disagrees. Most alarmingly of all, it's not just dimwit hangers-on either... a number of KDE developers have done it too. Just take a look at the recent Novell threads here (and on slashdot), and can you honestly tell me that the KDE project can be proud of the behaviour of its zealots? Now look back over recent history -- Red Hat, Richard Stallman, Sun, Bruce Perens, Ximian, and now Novell. The way KDE supporters behaved, you'd think those people and organizations were mass murderers... instead of just people who didn't agree/support the KDE project.

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Re: Good to hear
by Segedunum on Thursday 10/Nov/2005, @07:53

" KDE has a reputation (well deserved) for sending out its flying monkey hordes to attack anyone who disagrees."

Monkeys! Well that's funny. What do you think this is? And to say that Gnome has not had a centralised and project wide campaign of doing that, well, you need your eyes tested.

"Most alarmingly of all, it's not just dimwit hangers-on either... a number of KDE developers have done it too. Just take a look at the recent Novell threads here (and on slashdot), and can you honestly tell me that the KDE project can be proud of the behaviour of its zealots?"

Kurt Pfeifle has turned out to be right so far. I simply think that an open source desktop needs something that is economically viable, and I've explained why. Some people obviously don't like it but that's a problem for them to deal with themselves.

"Now look back over recent history -- Red Hat, Richard Stallman, Sun, Bruce Perens, Ximian, and now Novell. The way KDE supporters behaved, you'd think those people and organizations were mass murderers... instead of just people who didn't agree/support the KDE project."

Richard Stallman, Bruce Perens and Ximian in particular have not exactly behaved with the ethics that some in the open source community claim to cherish. They've stamped their feet, they wanted control of KDE when it first started and whinged about 'KDE's license' when they realised they couldn't, they've wanted their own way without giving rational reasons as to the decisions they're making (no, developing everything for nothing is not what an enterprise wants to hear Bruce) and they've made arguments about KDE consistently for years which KDE has not done the other way around.

When was the last time you heard a KDE developer complain about Gnome and GTK's licensing, proclaimed KDE as a corporate desktop or asked Gnome people to cooperate with KDE through Freedesktop by adopting all of the stuff that KDE is adopting? When was the last time you saw Gnome developers back this 'interoperability' and 'brothers in arms' thing they keep coming up with by solid actions and raw code by coding something like QtGTK which integrates GTK apps into KDE, and could be done vice versa but no one on the Gnome side is interested?

Please don't try and take some sort of moral high ground here. You don't have it.

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