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OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ? on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @10:48
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| "I have been the maintainer of the Suse kernel for more than a decade now," Mantel wrote. "I'm very confident the Novell management will find a competent successor very quickly. After all, there are lots of extremely skilled people over there in the Ximian division." |
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by reihal on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @10:54
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It means SuSE is dead and buried.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ? on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @11:03
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This is quite sad. I was hoping it's not, but this seems to indicate that those warlords have finally hit the spot and done something bad.
So what's not dead and buried? Kubuntu? I wonder, I suspect I'd better plan some migrations :-(
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by KDE User on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @11:05
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Hahah, where did you find that snarky comment from? Basically it's a rather humourous potshot at Ximian from some high-ranking SUSE developer.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ? on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @11:15
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Yep. I got that, it's even one of the founders of SuSE. But I wonder why he's leaving SuSE and blaming Ximian for it. This looks like serious trouble, as in 'SUSE or whatever they call it is doomed'.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by KDE User on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @11:21
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Isn't it obvious? Ximian has been playing a dirty game of politics internally at Novell. I thought this was already well-known. A lot of people are not quiting over this.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ? on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @11:25
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Yes, but when key people who would be able to resist are quitting, it means that the Ximian guys are applying that old tactic of 'if you can't outsmart them, disgust them', so that finally they'll be the only ones left.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by KDE User on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @11:52
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I meant "now" not "not" in my previous post. I think the point is that people within SUSE do not see any hope. Novell is a lost cause and a company very few take seriously these days. Why should the SUSE people spend any more of their life there if they can do better?
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ml on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @12:03
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Makes sense. But SUSE 10 is so good, it's vastly better than all distros/releases I've seen.
Of course, there's no point in continously waiting for the next bad/desperate decision of the Novell folks.
So my question was, what do I migrate to? :)
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by Segedunum on Thursday 10/Nov/2005, @00:57
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It's good because of KDE and all the KDE oriented people at Suse have have given it polish and a splash of colour.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ac on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @12:19
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Novell == SCO for me. I treat them with the same respect from now on. Poor Novell suckers. I think Novell started killing off their own business. No money will ever stop the complaints coming from users and open source enthusiasts. The people in the world will from now on totally trash the name Novell. It will be set equal with the pigs from SCO, they will be treated the same way and their entire name will be worth nothing pretty soon.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ml on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @12:27
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Not quite, my friend Winnetou, you see, SCO is a pig farm while Novell is just a bunch of geese (how do you call many noisy geese looking for a way out in English? Is it a flock?)
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Really OT: Collective noun for geese
by Ralph Jenkin on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @12:57
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Believe it or not, the correct term is a gaggle of geese.
No, really.
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Re: Really OT: Collective noun for geese
by ml on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @13:02
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After a gaggle of googling I believe you.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by Ragnarok on Thursday 10/Nov/2005, @01:30
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* Novell == SCO for me.
Well, then it's good news that no-one cares what you think, outside of the small collection of flamers and irrational idiots on dot.kde.org, of course.
*The people in the world will from now on totally trash the name Novell.
Ahem, don't you mean "you" will totally trash the name Novell.
* It will be set equal with the pigs from SCO, they will be treated the same way and their entire name will be worth nothing pretty soon.
The infidels will be punished! Death to Novell! All you need now is a backpack full of explosives and a train ticket to Novell HQ. Get a grip will you.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ac on Friday 11/Nov/2005, @02:28
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> Well, then it's good news that no-one cares what you think
Why did you reply then ?
> outside of the small collection of flamers and irrational
> idiots on dot.kde.org, of course.
Welcome in the club then.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by AC on Saturday 12/Nov/2005, @18:09
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"Novell == SCO for me."
It's rather Novell == (R.I.P.) Corel. After their faux pas with switching to Gnome, I have no doubt now that Novell will end up like Corel. Similar incompetence and lack of focus of their decision makers. Corel went ahead against MS, Novell has decided to go against Red Hat and Sun. Also, both received (settlement) money from MS ;-)
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by sd on Thursday 10/Nov/2005, @04:13
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Chris Schlaeger seems to have left too. Ok, so I've made up my mind. This is a dead dog.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by Andi on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @21:21
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When Novell bought Suse and the MP3 support was dropped (what simply means the distribution was crippled) I was about to switch to another distro. I've tried Gentoo (my notebook disk was too small and the CPU too slow) as well as Knoppix and Debian. Only because our company has been using Suse for years, I wanted to avoid double effort and eventually stayed. OpenSuse 10 was a positive surprise. But now, that the Suse people leave Novell, I'll no longer bet on 10.1 or whatever comes.
IMHO the statement that Gnome is more user friendly and thus is better suited for business distros is complete nonsense. Suse managed to tweak the KDE in their distro quite well in the past. It wouldn't be that huge effort to spend a new profile to Konqueror to let it show less buttons in the toolbars. You can provide a different set of rc-files for other applications (say KMail) as well. You can use Kiosk...
Anyway, bye bye Novell (and to be honest, I expect my co-workers to drop Suse as well).
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by reihal on Wednesday 09/Nov/2005, @22:31
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It could mean that openSuSe will be forked into a KDE only distribution with the name K Linux.
K for KDE and Kameleon.
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Re: OT: And what is this supposed to mean?
by ac on Thursday 10/Nov/2005, @04:23
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Not only is Hubert Mantel leaving, but Chris Schlaeger has left as well. It's pretty obvious that Ximian is taking over Novell for better or (rather) worse. My only hope is that those leaving start a new more sane business, pick up the opensuse source or something and show Novell how it should be done.
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