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Re: fix bugs before adding new features
by Charles Samuels on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @07:30
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Maybe if you upgrade to 3.5, you'll find the bugs have gone away?
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Re: fix bugs before adding new features
by MandrakeUser on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @08:06
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Richie, that's the power of freedom. You can stick to an older
version, update part of your system, etc. Hell, you can choose
a distro with focus on stability (rather than a bleeding edge).
There is a universe of possibilities.
KDE as a project, though, seems to be doing pretty well.
3.5 will add new features, and 3.5.x will fix bugs in the 3.5 codebase
4.0 will introduce fundamental (architectural, etc. changes).
And the 4.1, 4.2, etc release series will introduce incremental changes
Seems pretty solid software engineering.
In fact, let me go a bit OT and say that the linux kernel, OTOH,
seems to be a different story. Rather fundamental changes are
being introduced in the 2.6 series periodically (for each 2.6.x).
The changes are flowing to frequently and there is little time
to stabilize. This does not seem a good process, at least to me.
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Speaking of bugs....
by Bryan Feeney on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @08:20
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If you look at the very last picture in the Visual guide, showing the new-media notifier, you'll see that the "OK" button is shorter than the buttons on either side of it. Qt's layout helps maintain the text baseline but, if it's still present in the actual release, it's a silly little mistake to have made.
The screenshot is http://www.kde.org/announcements/visual_guide_images-3.5/device-popup.png
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Re: fix bugs before adding new features
by Brandybuck on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @10:22
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It's up to the individual developers whether they fix bugs or add new features. No one is there to force them to do one or the other. It's called freedom.
That said, bugs are still getting fixed. No competent developer ignores reproducible bugs in release software. They do fix a lot of bugs. Some they can't fix, because it's outside of their area of expertise. Others may be minor and not worth the risk to fix in the 3.x codebase (every bug fix has the potential to introduce new bugs). Still others are currently being worked on, and will be merged in for 3.5.1. Then there are those few bugs that are design/architecture related, that must be fixed in the 4.x codebase.
3.5 is a feature release, and the focus is on new features. KDE could keep going on and on and on with 3.4.4, 3.4.5, 3.4.6, 3.4.7, and so on. But without new features users lose their excitement and developers get bored. This is especially true with a high visibility project like KDE. Thus every so often there is a feature release.
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Re: fix bugs before adding new features
by Anonymous on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @11:13
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> I would prefer, that developers concentrate on fixing bugs than adding new features.
Good news for you, all next releases for foreseeable feature will be bugfix releases.
> I can't count how many times konqueror has crashed when broswing or working locally as a filemanager.
And you use the current version (as of yesterday) and reported the bugs?
> I will continue to use KDE 3.3.2 und will perhaps upgrade to release 3.4.
I don't think that anyone will fix anymore bugs in KDE 3.4.x.
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Re: fix bugs before adding new features
by James Richard Tyrer on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @14:40
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Unfortunately, this is not how KDE works. If you use OSS, you *are* an unpaid software tester. While you should resent this with commercial software, you should simply accept that this is the way it works with OSS.
Therefore, you should upgrade to 3.4.3 since bug fixes for the older branches stopped with the release of a new minor branch. Actually, IMHO, there should only be one final bug fix release for the older minor branch. E.G. now that KDE-3.5.0 has been released, there should be a KDE-3.4.4 release which incorporates the bug fixes as of the date of the 3.5.0 release, but with OSS, that is all the support that can be expected for the old version.
Yes, it is probably true that 3.5.0 will have more bugs than 3.4.3. Which is why 3.4.4 should be released and why those that value stability more than features should upgrade to it while waiting for 3.5.1.
You do make a good point though. We should be careful that stability does not take a back seat to new features. If we are not careful about this, adding new features will introduce new bugs and if new features are added faster than bugs are fixed, the releases might become less stable. Naturally, we should strive to have the new releases always be more stable than the previous ones and it is an important thing to keep in mind.
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Re: fix bugs before adding new features
by Robert on Saturday 03/Dec/2005, @16:53
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"I can't count how many times konqueror has crashed when broswing or working locally as a filemanager."
Have you reported all these bugs? Have you followed them all the way through to fixes?
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