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Speaking of bugs....
by Bryan Feeney on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @08:20
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If you look at the very last picture in the Visual guide, showing the new-media notifier, you'll see that the "OK" button is shorter than the buttons on either side of it. Qt's layout helps maintain the text baseline but, if it's still present in the actual release, it's a silly little mistake to have made.
The screenshot is http://www.kde.org/announcements/visual_guide_images-3.5/device-popup.png |
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Thomas Zander on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @09:08
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The option to make command buttons all the same width is something that Qt has never been able to do. I think some themes try to do it, not sure how well they succeed.
I fully agree with you; its ugly and since Windows has been doing the equal-width thing for a couple or releases already Qt (or KDE) really should follow.
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Matthias Ettrich on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @09:43
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You can enforce this through the style by defining a certain minimum width for command buttons. We do that for Windows style and it covers most cases. The case in the screenshot would be covered well.
Another problem is really plastik's, and you see it in the screenshot: the default button appears smaller in all four directions. That's space taken away for the default button indicator. Qt's own Motif and Windows styles do it better: they take the same space away from all autoDefault buttons, so all buttons appear to have the same hight.
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Hans on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @14:36
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> Another problem is really plastik's, and you see it in
> the screenshot: the default button appears smaller in all
> four directions. That's space taken away for the default
> button indicator.
The default button indicator should have a nice colour and not the background colour!!
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Bryan Feeney on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @09:50
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I wasn't talking about width, I was talking about *height*. Matthias seems to have explained what's wrong though (it's Plastik's fault ;-) ).
To be honest, I don't really mind variable width; so long as buttons don't get too narrow I don't see any issue.
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Segedunum on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @10:14
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He was talking about height, and unless there's a very good usability reason for it it looks like arse. How the hell has no one seen that?
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Boudewijn on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @10:34
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The big problem here of course is not the button -- switching to another style will help there -- but the wording. It should have said "An audio CD has been inserted." All the verbosity about mediums (new or otherwise) and what do you want to do? is superfluous. I'd also use "this" instead of "that" in the "Always..." message. And I'd left-align the "configure" button to create some distance between the ok and cancel button, and reword the cancel button to "Do nothing for me, and remove the silly icon from my desktop, too, please, and be right snappy about it, cocky". Or perhaps just "Close"
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Segedunum on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @12:27
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Errrr, you're avoiding the point. The OK button is smaller in height to all the other buttons around it. It looks like absolute crap unless there is a goo usability reason for it. Seriously - no one picked up on this?
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dupe
by ac on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @13:15
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Please scroll up a little bit and you'll find that someone going by the name of "Segedunum" already posted the exact same thing you did. Only he used the word "arse" rather than "crap".
Have a very nice day!
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Double Dupe
by Segedunum on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @14:04
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"Please scroll up a little bit and you'll find that someone going by the name of "Segedunum" already posted the exact same thing you did. Only he used the word "arse" rather than "crap"."
Gee. If you scroll up a little bit further you'll also see another comment that doesn't answer the question either! It seems as though some people may be a little embarrased they didn't notice this.
Have a nice day!
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Boudewijn on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @13:36
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The button is a function of the Plastik style; if you use another widget style, then you won't have this problem. And even with Plastik it may look bad, but it isn't half as bad as the wording of the dialog. Upon consideration, I think the cancel button can go, too, since the cancel action is already present in the option list.
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Segedunum on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @14:05
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"The button is a function of the Plastik style; if you use another widget style, then you won't have this problem."
Sigh. Plastik is the default style of KDE........
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Re: Plastik!
by Hans on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @14:35
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My KDE shows a blue line around the "OK" button (which is very good!).
I did not do any special. Style: plastik, Colour scheme:plastik.
Maybe it's a bug con the computer where the screenshot has been taken.
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Re: Plastik!
by Segedunum on Tuesday 29/Nov/2005, @14:41
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"My KDE shows a blue line around the "OK" button (which is very good!).
I did not do any special. Style: plastik, Colour scheme:plastik.
Maybe it's a bug con the computer where the screenshot has been taken."
Is this KDE 3.5? I sincerely hope so. I haven't used an RC of 3.5 nor have I checked out SVN for quite a while so I don't know.
If it is just something wrong with the set up of the machine that the screenshots were taken on can somebody just say so?
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Re: Plastik!
by Hans on Wednesday 30/Nov/2005, @05:03
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Ok, I did investigate a bit:
This bug can only be seen in some applications, for example the "what do you want to do" dialog or the "file already exists" dialog of Konqueror.
The bug can not be seen on the buttons of the kontrol center.
How to reproduce:
Open konqueror in file manager mode.
Klick on a file, hold mouse down, press <ctrl> and drop it anywhere in the same directory. Konqueror asks: "File Already Exists<br> This action would overwrite..."
The "suggest new name" and "Continue" buttons have the same size, the preselected "Cancel" button shows the reduced size. Press <tab> two times and the "Cancel" button becomes normal again.
In Kcontrol or in this web form buttons stay always the same size regardless if they become activated (<tab>) or not.
If you select another style (for example ".net") this bug disappeares.
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damn right...
by zero08 on Wednesday 30/Nov/2005, @03:02
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imho your suggestions would really improve this little dialog. Please fight for it, make a report or *heyho* would one of the devs please obey to his recoms they make the pain go away....
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Re: Speaking of bugs....
by Thomas Zander on Wednesday 30/Nov/2005, @01:05
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Checking my own computer (also 3.5) the problem is that the actual height of the buttons is exactly the same, but the visual size is indeed smaller for the default button. This means that there are some very light lines around the default button that take space away from the button itself.
The obvious solution would be to make the button larger. Not sure how well that would work, though.
I guess I have gotten used to it and never noticed it :(
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