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Re: Good News
by superstoned on Friday 16/Dec/2005, @07:07
i suspect you want to keep your system up-to-date, esp for security. so you'll have to emerge some stuff now and then. and for a desktop system, i can do this at night - i don't use it when i sleep anyway (do you?). but a server is working most (if not all) of the time, so having to emerge stuff (thus slowing its work) is imho a waste of cpu/mem/etc. i love gentoo, but wouldn't run it on a server.
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Re: Good News
by Navindra Umanee on Friday 16/Dec/2005, @07:12
Note that OSUOSL has allocated us enough resources that so far it hasn't really been a problem. I don't think it was noticeable to outsiders while I was compiling XEmacs, for instance. It isn't a "best practices" approach however, as you point out.
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  • Re: Good News
    by David Costa on Friday 16/Dec/2005, @08:48
    > I don't think it was noticeable to outsiders
    > while I was compiling XEmacs, for instance.

    Yep. Just a "The server is over a big load. Come back later." message.
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  • Re: Good News
    by Corbin on Friday 16/Dec/2005, @10:09
    Make sure you set "PORTAGE_NICENESS="19"" in make.conf so your emerges will have as little impact as possible, also having ccache installed will reduce the time to upgrade a package (especially if the difference between the one installed and the new one is only a 1 line change to fix a bug).
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    • Re: Good News
      by Segedunum on Friday 16/Dec/2005, @14:30
      Handy hints there. Also do the practical thing - schedule this kind of thing when there's as little activity on the system as possible. With all your experience of running the dot you'll know when this is.
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Re: Good News
by Segedunum on Friday 16/Dec/2005, @14:28
"i suspect you want to keep your system up-to-date, esp for security."

Occasionally, but very little. You usually emerge on a test server first just to see what will happen of course, and do a quick search around for any problems before you do it. Compiling most popular server software doesn't take anywhere near as long as you'd think. Xen and VMware makes having a replica server a doddle.

"i love gentoo, but wouldn't run it on a server."

I'm the opposite :-). Gentoo makes a great server, the tools are first rate as is the really nice documentation. On the other hand, I just really cannot be bothered to compile stuff on a desktop - and desktop stuff really does take an absolute 'age' to compile.
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