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Re: What? No SuSE version?
by binner on Wednesday 01/Feb/2006, @06:57
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You should reread the README: there are no problems with the next release of SUSE Linux, crashes or CPU/memory usage problems. The only problem is building packages for "supplementary" which is an overlay over older released distributions.
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Re: What? No SuSE version?
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday 01/Feb/2006, @09:31
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Yeah, but now that Mantel has left the building i'm not so sure anymore.
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Re: What? No SuSE version?
by Iuri Fiedoruk on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @07:16
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I didn't read until the finish, but - and sorry for my poor english - my idea was that due to other packages being prepared, there wasn't enought machine power to build the 3.5.1 rpms. Sure, as the server is building the rpms for next opensuse, they won't load it with kde packages also ;)
That's what I tryied, and shamelfull failed, to say, sorry :)
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Re: What? No SuSE version?
by binner on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @09:00
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> Sure, as the server is building the rpms for next opensuse, they won't load it with kde packages also ;)
You're still failing to understand, the load is not the problem.
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SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by DistroWatch on Wednesday 01/Feb/2006, @18:25
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Wake up guys, SuSE is DEAD!
Read following if you are not informed:
1. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/05/1620206
2. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27580
3. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/09/1935253
Once the CSA (Chief Software Architect) is resigned, it's a dead man walking.
Btw. watch out Tomahawk Desktop (http://www.tomahawkcomputers.com/). It is rumored they are waiting KDE 3.5.1 is officially released to release a much improved desktop.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by Anonymous on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @02:06
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Mantel was not the Chief Software Architect, not even an architect at all. And your other links are obsolete too: http://www.novell.com/prblogs/index.php?title=kde_and_gnome&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @07:58
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No, they are not obsolete. Link you posted is just Novell PR department trying to hide the fact that when it comes to KDE, SUSE is dead.
But can't blame them, really. Middleware control is everything, and this time it looks like giving too much control over the middleware to single instance (TT) is finally hurting KDE. Strategic blow-up on KDEs part..
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by Aaron J. Seigo on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @08:53
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it's dangerous to confuse excuses for reasons, which is what you're doing here.
TT's relationship to Qt may be one of the excuses in play (there are others i've heard) but it's not even close to the reason for how things are playing out within Novell.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @11:05
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> it's dangerous to confuse excuses for reasons, which is what you're doing here.
For some part maybe, but I'm watching this from within a huge corporation that is using Linux left and right (and its gaining ground every day, big time). Currently (almost) all roads lead to G, mostly thanks to KDE not being considered 'free' desktop due to TTs control of it.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by anonymous on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @21:15
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<I>Currently (almost) all roads lead to G, mostly thanks to KDE not being considered 'free' desktop due to TTs control of it.</I>
Sure, megacorps like the one you probably work for can't stand it when they can't lock in their users through proprietary software and draconian DRM schemes.
KDE is more free than gnome because KDE is GPL and it ensures that users have the source code to make changes as they see fit. This prevents draconian DRM schemes that the backers of gnome (read: megacorps) want to use to subjugate their clientel. Any developer who works on GNOME is a fool because they are only making the problem worse by refusing to stand up to the megacorps and start licensing their programs (including libraries) as GPL.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by Anonymous Coward on Friday 03/Feb/2006, @00:29
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> KDE is more free than gnome because KDE is GPL
GPL being one thing. Plus, KDE is quality code (due to Qt perhaps) that does not require you to invest eons of money to debug it to be able to use it. That's what I call free, so I agree 100%.
But there's nothing that will make the upper management to understand this. Bugs in the software are not their problem, they can get fixed with money. Control is everything.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by Segedunum on Friday 03/Feb/2006, @16:46
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"For some part maybe, but I'm watching this from within a huge corporation that is using Linux left and right (and its gaining ground every day, big time). Currently (almost) all roads lead to G, mostly thanks to KDE not being considered 'free' desktop due to TTs control of it."
Ah, yet another mythical person working inside another mythical corporation using Gnome ;-). You do realise that none of these companies care about Trolltech's relationship with KDE like you do. If that were the case they'd all be ditching Windows right, left and centre.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by binner on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @08:59
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> Link you posted is just Novell PR department trying to hide the fact that when it comes to KDE, SUSE is dead.
You're wrong. The same amount of coders are working on KDE at SUSE than before and the full desktop continues to be shipped as supported option than before.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @12:12
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Hope so. However, I have my doubts. Microsoft is still shipping SFU (Services For Unix) as well.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by reihal on Friday 03/Feb/2006, @03:42
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If it is free (GPL) you have control, isnīt that the whole point with GPL?
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by KDE User on Friday 03/Feb/2006, @13:14
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> giving too much control over the middleware to single instance (TT) is finally hurting KDE
You must mean giving control to the OS community, since it's all GPL.
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Re: SuSE is DEAD!!!!!!!!!
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @18:46
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It may be obsolete but for the first time, no KDE binaries from SuSE. That's a fact. SuSE can come with some bullshit execuse but action speaks loud.
Sometimes big companies use some companies as front companies to buy other companies to slowly kill the competition.
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Re: What? No SuSE version?
by Hugo Costelha on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @09:50
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You can't say it is dead when the beta2 of SUSE Linux 10.1 ( of last week) already had KDE 3.5.1 (although beta)!!! And you can see it again on the beta3 released today.
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Re: What? No SuSE version?
by Just User on Friday 03/Feb/2006, @10:05
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Yes, it will ship with SuSE 10.1 but will it be maintained? when KDE 3.5.2 comes out, will they have RPM packages ready for it? That is looking pretty doubtfull at this point.
Novell has decided to not include KDE as the default desktop in favor of a lesser product, is this what we can expect from Novell? Lesser products from now on with respect to SuSE?
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Re: What? No SuSE version?
by binner on Friday 03/Feb/2006, @21:35
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> Yes, it will ship with SuSE 10.1 but will it be maintained?
Of course will SUSE support its products for the promised length of time.
> when KDE 3.5.2 comes out, will they have RPM packages ready for it?
There will be unsupported 10.1 rpms in "supplementary" YaST source as usual.
Maybe not as "0-day warez" but when developers have free time for it.
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