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Re: KOffice rocks!
by superstoned on Wednesday 01/Feb/2006, @06:45

i can't help but wonder why kplato was created? i guess taskjuggler would be an excelent complement to Koffice - it is already very mature, and i can't find anything but highly positive revieuws... did the Koffice guys have a talk with the taskjuggler guys, or considder forking?

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by Inge Wallin on Wednesday 01/Feb/2006, @06:56

Taskjuggler is an engine without a GUI. KPlato is a GUI with an (at this point) limited engine. You connect the dots... :-)

(There is a TODO item to merge them.)

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by klik-er on Wednesday 01/Feb/2006, @11:21

Taskjuggler an engine without a GUI???

Inge Wallin, you are ill-informed then. Just try to convince yourself by quickly running

--> sh $HOME/.klik taskjuggler <--

or

--> klik://taskjuggler <--

What I see here coming up is a GUI, and even a beautiful KDE-ified one (instead of the former web interface TaskJuggler threw against my aestetic feelings.

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by Inge Wallin on Wednesday 01/Feb/2006, @11:33

You are right, I was too quick here. Sorry.

The fact still remains, though, that we want the TaskJuggler engine in KPlato :-)

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by superstoned on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @07:25

sorry, i didn't know kplato might be worked into a TaskJuggler user :D

hope you guys can use parts of the current KDE/Qt TaskJuggler frontend... it is already very complete and looks very usefull (i didn't need a full tool like that, but it seems to be very powerfull)

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by klik-er on Friday 03/Feb/2006, @19:38

That's great!

Just make sure that you tell the world when a klik://PlatoJuggler is ready so I can add it to my collection of kliks :-)

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by Piotr Gawrysiak on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @08:45

Sure, there is GUI for displaying the projects' contents, but there is no GUI for editing. In fact, the Taskjuggler docs contain references to this, claiming that due to lack of graphical editing components one can create much bigger projects. But this means that Taskjuggler can not be a real replacement for eg. MS Project - of course IT managers might probably want to learn TJ language, but I do not think that any other project manager would do it :-)

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by Aaron J. Seigo on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @09:00

hmm.. i've always had the impression that they are two different tools for different types of jobs.

kplato (and ms project, for that matter) are great for small to medium sized projects that are generally fairly linear and need timelining and basic resource management.

taskjuggler and similar software products are designed for large engineering-style projects where you have a lot of resources (people) working on a number of parts of a project simultaneously and where managing the resources is more complex and important than managing the timeline.

timelining versus resource management, that's generally how i find the split. but perhaps that's just me? +)

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by Boudewijn Rempt on Thursday 02/Feb/2006, @09:22

Not entirely just you. I'm not really interested in project management -- but I have used KPlato for planning Krita development to some extent. Of course, what's missing is an uncertainty generator and knowledge of exam periods in a wide variety of countries, but it was admirably suited for my purpose.

Task juggler comes into its own when you've got scores of "resources".

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Re: KOffice rocks!
by Christian Loose on Wednesday 01/Feb/2006, @11:41

It's not like KPlato was started yesterday. It already exists since 2001:
http://webcvs.kde.org/koffice/kplato/main.cc?rev=1.18&view=log.

There was just a long pause in its development. ;-)

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