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Re: Encourage KDE developers to join Kubuntu!
by cw on Monday 08/May/2006, @14:52
> I am running kubuntu 5.10 and have to say that it is working really well.
> And KDE is going really well right here. That makes me skeptical about
> the conclusion that ubuntu is not KDE friendly.

The conclusion is that KDE is not currently a priority for Ubuntu, that Kubuntu is treated as 'nice to have' which is not 'first-class citizenship', and that nothing specifical has been said regarding how this problem will be fixed and whether it will be fixed.

If you're in doubt, take a look at this:

https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs?show=all

Ten specifications are tagged 'essential', almost all Gnome specific, neither KDE specific. Even DapperReleaseProcess is Gnome specific:

"This still allows plenty of time (three weeks) from the GNOME string freeze to ours."

"Links and cross-references: GNOME 2.13.x/2.14 release schedule"

Needless to say, Kubuntu happens to be following the same release schedule. So what exactly is the point in being enthusiastic about Kubuntu as a KDE distro, if it doesn't even adjust it's releases to KDE? Is it that it started to work rather well lately? Well, Suse for instance has already worked well for ages.

Or is it just an irrational fear of being left aside? In that case just stop hyping Ubuntu until it doesn't leave KDE aside. I don't say 'attack', I just say stop giving it gratuitous praise.
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Re: Encourage KDE developers to join Kubuntu!
by javier on Tuesday 09/May/2006, @00:47
Ubuntu choose gnome (probably, but not only) because they have a fixed release schedule. For them it was easy to adapt they own release schedule around gnome's. That's one huge point gnome has over kde: fixed release schedules. Please note that I prefere KDE over Gnome. Since KDE depends heavily on QT (which is a good thing) it's more difficult to them to make a fixed release schedule. KDE is like debian, they release when it's ready. my 2€

It's too late for dapper to make huge changes in kubuntu. We'll have to wait another release to see if cannonical and mark take KDE/Kubuntu more into account in their releases. Time will tell. AFAIK I'm using dapper on a daily basis. It's very stable/polished and with shipit support it will get kde/kubuntu closer to more people, which is a great thing.
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  • Re: Encourage KDE developers to join Kubuntu!
    by cw on Tuesday 09/May/2006, @04:55
    > KDE is like debian, they release when it's ready.

    Actually they release when it's scheduled, and far more often than debian :-)

    > It's too late for dapper to make huge changes in kubuntu.
    > We'll have to wait another release to see if cannonical and mark take
    > KDE/Kubuntu more into account in their releases.

    Several months ago the same 'first-class citizen' story has been told, and it wasn't too late for dapper at that time.

    My suspicion is that the only reason why kubuntu exists is not having to admit that kde is not supported. From a marketing point of view it's understandable, of course.
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  • Re: Encourage KDE developers to join Kubuntu!
    by Joe on Wednesday 24/May/2006, @13:16
    "That's one huge point gnome has over kde: fixed release schedules."

    Huge point to you, friend, not me.
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Re: Encourage KDE developers to join Kubuntu!
by Joergen Ramskov on Tuesday 09/May/2006, @03:51
Ubuntu started out as a Gnome distribution. Kubuntu started out as an unofficial "add-on" to ubuntu not too long ago. It can hardly be a surprise that Ubuntu is still more focused on Gnome.

So far, KDE has been getting more and more attention for each release and that seems to continue. These things takes time.

I don't quite understand that you're so skeptical. I think Mark has done an extraordinary job so far. He's done nothing that makes me suspicious of his intentions in regards to KDE.

Ps. I personally use Kubuntu and have done so for quite some time and while it is certainly far from perfect, I still like it and I'll most likely continue to use it.
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Re: Encourage KDE developers to join Kubuntu!
by superstoned on Tuesday 09/May/2006, @08:06
Kubuntu might start to sync to KDE releases. not sure how they will do that, but they intend to have a look at making it possible...
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