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Zelotism
by Andy on Tuesday 09/May/2006, @04:33

what speaks against this KDE committment is the announcement of the edubuntu developer which followed his talks that the edubuntu would want to remove all educational apps from edubuntu which are KDE based and replace them by gtk ones. And: He would like to get a K-edubuntu with KDE. What madness, what toolkit zelotism.

I think we should get away from toolkit centric thinking.

It is not motif etc. anymore. GTK and QT applications are quite interoperable and *more could be done*. We should get away from the Gnome = GTK, KDE = QT formula.

Portland offers great ways of improvement. Then GTK often only means that applications uses toolkits which just render with GTK. X-theming, standardisation on the backend level and of course a common unix bookmark repository which could be used by firefox, Konqueror, Galeon etc.

KDE users want GTK apps and want them to integrate better into their desktop environment of choice, same applies for KDE or QT apps under Gnome.

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Re: Zelotism
by Eero Tamminen on Tuesday 09/May/2006, @12:00

I think the reason for separating them is performance, mainly memory usage.

A toolkit like Gtk/Gnome or Qt/KDE is big and this doesn't mean
just disk space consumption. When you run the applications, the libraries
need to be loaded into memory and they might require additional service
processes (gconf, kio-slaves etc).

If the applications are using same libraries and support services,
they are shared between the applications and user can run more
applications at the same time and the applications start faster.

So, if user is running Gtk/XFCE/Gnome desktop (Xubuntu/Ubuntu), by default
Gtk applications are installed, if user is running KDE desktop (Kubuntu),
by default KDE applications are installed. HOWEVER, this is just default,
nothing is preventing user from installing the meta package bringing in
set(s) of applications using the other toolkit, if she has enough memory
on the computer to use both, or otherwise just wants to have both. The
point is that default set of apps is sensible (also from performance point
of view) AND that it's easy to add/install other (supported) software.

Having Kubuntu and Ubuntu in close collaboration makes more well
working & integrated software available to users of both desktops.

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