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I really hope KDE4 will rock
by morphado on Wednesday 02/Aug/2006, @09:23

I really hope KDE4 will be an outstanding GDE, because IMHO, gnome is becoming more mature, and as the main distro (RED HAT, NOVELL, UBUNTU)has standarized in a way or another on gnome,

so really hope plasma will the next revolution in desktop computing otherwise, I fear kde will be dommed

ps; thanks for kde3.5.4

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by Chase Venters on Wednesday 02/Aug/2006, @09:57

I'm not worried about KDE being doomed at all. Anyone I've ever known that uses GNOME on the actual desktop (ie, not just using it to run Red Hat Network Configuration Program or somesuch) ends up running KDE programs on top of it. And moreover, while commercial distributions do tend to favor GNOME, usage trends and users suggest that KDE is actually everyone's favorite free software desktop. My experience would tend to agree :)

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by Vlad Blanton on Thursday 03/Aug/2006, @17:48

I agree that Gnome has improved a lot. So much that I switch between Kubuntu and Ubuntu throughout the week (when I was a die-hard KDE user before).

The fact is, Gnome has been devoting much more time toward usability & HIG development than KDE. As a whole, when I start ubuntu, I am amazed with the way things seem to fit together. When I run Kubuntu, I'm amazed with detail and feature-set given to each technology underlying the desktop and every app that runs on it.

KDE is a better desktop than Gnome technically and functionally, but Gnome has surpassed KDE in overall usability by having a decent HIG that developers and distro's use and focusing on simplicity in application layout and functionality.

quick disclaimer: I think gnome went a little to far with simplicity with many of there applications. It has made a large part of there desktop unusable for anyone other than the [idea of the] "average user" that they design for. Cheerios not Fruityloops.. a paraphrase of something a metacity developer once said

I also realise that if I install kde & gnome in Gentoo that a some of that "amazement of the way things seem to fit together" in gnome is gone because it of the large amount of work ubuntu put into unifying the look & feel.

If we had a solid & usable HIG that developers and distro's followed for KDE 3 things would be MUCH better, and moving away from relying on 3rd party icons/widget styles (Crystal/Plastik/Lipstik) will also help unify the look-n-feel. Crystal icons look very nice, but are also occasionally confusing (a 13 year old girl recently asked me what the glass of water in the bottom right was... the trash). Plasik/Lipstik is very nice compared to Keramik **pukes**, but it still has it's fair share of annoyances and ugliness.

I am amazed with the way KDE has progressed and grown. I am stunned with the ideas and plans for KDE4 (Plasma, Solid, Oxygen, Phonon, and I want to give a HUGE thank you to everyone who is contributing to the development of the absolute best desktop environment to date. There is a place in my heart for all of you. I'd also like to thank Celeste Paul and anyone else working along side/with her for making sure that future KDE versions (4+) are focused on usability, HIG, and all those other 3 letter acronym's that stand for a better desktop experience for all of us end users!

There is a bright and optimistic future for KDE, the open source desktop, free software, open and innovative techology, and everything else KDE stands for/contributes to!

Vladislav Blanton

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by Jakob Petsovits on Wednesday 02/Aug/2006, @10:07

Well I'm not quite as pessimistic yet ;)
Let's talk about that when KDE loses its majority in the "favorite DE" votings.

Besides, what's "an outstanding GDE"? GNOME Desktop Environment, or what? :D
(I don't think KDE will become that very soon...)

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by Derek R. on Wednesday 02/Aug/2006, @10:18

Yes, Gnome is maturing fast. Now they even have a menu editor and a notepad than can open remote files :-)

Seriously, Gnome has a long way to catch up with KDE. Hopefully someday those that are now supporting Gnome blindly will one day wake up. If not, as KDE has the trust of users it's their loss.

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by chris on Wednesday 02/Aug/2006, @12:07

try to catch up with windows first!
gnomies are our friends !

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by Derek R. on Wednesday 02/Aug/2006, @14:04

Strictly as a desktop, KDE surpassed Windows a long time ago. Granted there are things that are still better on Windows, but the majority of them are not on the desktop level, where they have been stuck for many years.

As for Gnome, they might be friends but they are still compiting with KDE.

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by Segedunum on Wednesday 02/Aug/2006, @13:02

"because IMHO, gnome is becoming more mature"

Gnome has been becoming more mature for years, and years, and years......

"and as the main distro (RED HAT, NOVELL, UBUNTU)has standarized in a way or another on gnome"

I don't see it making a blind bit of difference to be honest. That may frustrate some people, but there it is.

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by Thomas on Thursday 03/Aug/2006, @22:50

>"and as the main distro (RED HAT, NOVELL, UBUNTU)has standarized in a way or
> another on gnome"
>I don't see it making a blind bit of difference to be honest. That may
>frustrate some people, but there it is.

Right said. Pushing standards "top down" never worked. If it was this way, we would all silently agree on Microsoft Windows being "the standard". We'd all have to shut up, step back ten years in time and trying to get used to all the shortcomings of the Windows OS again, which most readers here already can't even remember any more.

To be honest, even the decision to cripple Gnome in its functionality has been a top-down decision. And it was a decision to win the hearts of the distributors decision makers, not the hearts of their users.

Btw.: I have seen lots of KDE installations in small to medium sized businesses and only one Gnome desktop and this was at SUN Microsystems...

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Re: I really hope KDE4 will rock
by witchdoctor on Monday 15/Oct/2007, @13:47

"and as the main distro (RED HAT, NOVELL, UBUNTU)has standarized in a way or another on gnome"

That may be so but for the majority of smart users I also don't think it makes a difference. For those people who still have the unfortunateness of windows in their home what do you do the very second you buy it? Do you enjoy the way that microsoft presets it for you? NO ofcourse not, everyone personalises their OS upon buying. If people want KDE they will simply get it. (and I hope they do :P)

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